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  • KipawaK

    As mentioned in other posts, have you had your dog Fanconi tested? Also, if you are new to breeding, you may want to find a breeder who will mentor you. I may catch some flack for saying this, but IMO random breeding is just not very responsible or ethical.

    Fran Harder, BAB

    With Barney in my heart

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  • L

    thanks for the heads up i will look into that and have it done i wouldn't worry of flack you passed your knowledge along i greatly appreciate your help thank you

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  • KipawaK

    I'm glad my post came across as a caring one. When you do get your basenji DNA cheek swabbed for Fanconi, please keep everyone posted - there's tremendous support here.

    Fran Harder, BAB

    With Barney in my heart

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  • L

    how much does it cost any idea and do all vets offer it

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  • lvossL

    You do not get the test done by a vet. You have to order the kit from the OFA website, https://secure.offa.org/cart.html It costs $65.

    Please keep in mind this is only 1 of the hereditary diseases in basenjis and that the others do not have DNA tests so the only way to estimate the risk of producing the disease is through testing not only your animal but also have the test results of parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts and uncles.

    The Basenji Club of America recommends at a minimum breeders test their breeding stock for Fanconi, Hip Dysplasia (done after 2 years of age), Hypothyroidism (OFA recommends to be done every year until 5 years of age then every other year), and a CERF exam to check for heritable eye disorders (CERF is only good for one year and must be repeated).

    There is much more to breeding than just have a dog that looks like a basenji. In addition to health concerns, conformation is much more than that and cannot be judged from the casual shots usually shared on a forum like this and really is something best assessed in person where the evaluator can feel the underlying structure of the dog.

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  • tanzaT

    @lanedavid30:

    how much does it cost any idea and do all vets offer it

    If you are asking about DNA testing for Fanconi, it is a cheek swab that you order and do yourself. It is not done by a Vet. The cost is 65.00. You can learn about Fanconi and DNA testing at www.basenjihealth.org and the site to order the DNA test swabs is www.offa.org

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • L

    thanks for the info i know its not definitive as the swab i did do the glucose urin test and was negative but im still going to order the test if and when i find tucker a mate they will both be fixed although unsure if i should fix Tucker im afraid of breaking his spirit ive put so much into training him and to myself as well his temperament is perfect, but the pup will be fixed young im not doing this to turn a buck in any way after the lengthy breed research i did prior to finding him a family had bought him from a breeder in VA when tucker came into contact with their child. the kid had a severe allergic reaction the husband was in the military then had to give it up when he came home i felt real bad for the guy he was very unhappy but all and all hes at my side 24-7 and goes everywhere if i were him i think the wife and kid would have had to go lol… just kidding:D

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  • tanzaT

    It is always a better choice to neuter, if you are not breeding, IMO

    And with the urine test strips they are only negative for the moment that the you are doing the strip test… and so far 99% of the results have been "as" expected... there were a few due to lab mixups or questionable parents.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • KipawaK

    I think most people will agree that neutering a dog does not spoil their spirit or temperament. More often, spaying or neutering results in a more calm, balanced animal.

    Fran Harder, BAB

    With Barney in my heart

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  • tanzaT

    @Kipawa:

    I think most people will agree that neutering a dog does not spoil their spirit or temperament. More often, spaying or neutering results in a more calm, balanced animal.

    I agree, but we have lots of people on the Forum from over the "pond" and they have most different ideas about spay/neuter, different culture, different ideas…. and that is their right.... sometimes we all will need to agree to disagree..

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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