Kathy, I sure didn't mean to indicate it isn't a godsend or fantastic! Of course it is. I just meant… well as the Arabs say, Trust in G-d but tie your camel. Get the testing, use it to help guide breeding, retest if necessary, but keep doing the strip test. It's an easy if annoying process that protects your dog against testing errors or human errors.
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Oh for heaven's sake! If you're not going to listen to the ADVICE that YOU SOLICITED, then just be quiet!
I have absolutely LOST my patience!
You wouldn't marry somebody the first day you meet them, nor would you marry them after you found out they're a convicted serial killer. Just because you have the option of marrying somebody doesn't mean you should.
Your basenji should not be bred because you don't know what the heck you're doing! It has nothing to do with your dog at this point. Its you. YOU aren't listening, YOU aren't accepting the valuable advise, and YOU obviously don't have the wherewithall, time or money to commit to doing research, finding a mentor or creating healthy puppies. You just want to whine and sell puppies. Having a stethoscope does not make you a doctor anymore than loving a basenji makes it a good dog to breed.
Breeding is still a genetic spin of the wheel, and really amazing basenjis and really crappy basenjis can come from the same litter, just as the same two humans can produce a very healthy child and a child with a horrible genetic disease. Although she is a backyard breeder dog, I was told by professional handlers this past weekend that Lola actually isn't a bad looking girl. I got REALLY lucky with her, but that doesn't mean she should have been bred.
Seriously…. They're telling you this for your own good. And your dog shouldn't be bred, but it has more to do with your ignorance and laziness than your dog itself.
And just FYI, you ARE deaf ears! Multiple people have now told you multiple times and in multiple ways why you should not breed your dog. I don't recall anybody listing "from a pet store" as a reason why you shouldn't breed.p.s. (Moderators, I'm sorry. Don't kick me off. It had to be said. I apologize in advance for any trouble this post may cause)
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It has nothing to do with showing, it has to do with understand structure and anatomy. One test result is fairly insignificant in the sum total of what makes up the whole dog. Who cares if a dog is Clear for Fanconi because it is blind by 7 years old? Who cares if a dog is Clear for Fanconi if it can't climb a couple of stairs or get on couch without pain? Who cares if the dog is Clear for Fanconi if it is wasting away from IPSID?
If you can't look at dogs and see the differences between them then you are not ready to breed ANY dog.
I asked you to take a look at the page about evaluating puppies and tell me which puppy would be your pick and why. Your reason was because that puppy didn't look "stretched out". Do you know where the rear feet should fall in relation to a dog's rear? Do you know what it means when they naturally fall forward of that point (more under the dog) or fall naturally behind that point? The only puppy that appears "stretched out" in the pictures is Boy 2 and he also appears to be leaning on the handlers hand so is probably not "stretched out" as much as "reaching", trying to move forward.
What else did you see besides that they look healthy? If you are going to breed you need to be able to speak to angulation, front fill, head shape, feet, tail set, ear set.
You don't need to show to evaluate a dog structurally but it sure helps a person to develop an eye for it when they are seeing so many more dogs and not just basenjis.
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boy oh boy did i hit a nerve!!!!!!!!!!. i'm learning !! , little by little! but it has been said i shouldn't breed him because i don't know his basck ground. the only thank i don't know about is who and who hasnt been test in hi back ground! that to me doesn't mean that ther's not a chance for puppies to be clear or a carrier!!. and as for you calling me lazy or ignorance you might want to go back to whenyou started out on do this!! you shure wasn't born a pro at it!!. and as far as laziness you couldn't keep up with my daily life style!!. so why dont u stop getting you panties in a bunch, crab a~~! i don't know where you live ,but where i live there's not to many people aound that have heard of this breed!!!. grumpy!.AS I SAID BRFORE I HAVEN'T DECIDED YET IF I WILL BREED OR NOT!!!. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE DIFFEREANCE BRTWEEN THE PET SHOP BASENJI AND THE SHOW BASENJI!!. THAT'S WHY I'M ON HERE!, AND I MITCHTION BREEDING AND THEN I GOT SOME NASTY THANG SAID TO ME AND NOT BY: TAZA, LOVSS!!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR TALKING TO ME AND HELPING ME UNLIKE SOMEOTHER'S THAT HAVE THERE PANTIES IN A BUNCH!!!!!!!!! QUESTIONS ON BREEDING IS MY ONLY QUESTION. !!, SO DON'T GET IN PANTIE PINCH ANDREW!. I AM LEARNING HERE!!!
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You continue to obssess about a single health issue in the breed that is not the only problem in the breed and the other problems require in depth knowledge of the pedigree and knowing who has had those health issues and who has produced them. Since you do NOT know that and can NOT get that information then your dog is NOT a good breeding candidate.
Fanconi is NOT the only health issue in the breed and just because you test for one problem does not make you a good breeder.
This is what everyone keeps saying. This is what you are not getting. Hip Dysplasia, Slipped Patellas, Hypothyroidism, PRA, IPSID are all issues in the breed and every single one of them requires you to know detailed health histories in your dog's pedigree prior to breeding if you truly care about producing healthy puppies.
Everyone is frustrated with you because your REFUSE to acknowledge that there is more to a basenji then one gene.
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I really don't know much about the pic's you showed me . I have never even been to a show dog comation! But thanks sooo much for not being grummpy at me for asking these questions!. I'm trying to understand all i can.!! And yes u and taza are right there is alot more i have to learn!!! I'm not saying i want to jump in to this just yet!. I wish u and taza lived closer to me , to come out and see the difference between the showing and what to look for exzactly so that i'm not hurting the breed at all! .i want to be a responcibel breeder if i choise to do somethig like that! I'm not sure what i'm going to to just yet. Maybe breed once and that's it , but if i did i would either keep the puppies or have them fixed before i sold any and only to friends that know all the information first!!. I would mostlikely keep the puppies !! It would be cool to have a house full of these puppies! There sooo darn unuseual! Htere a great breed and a cool breed to have show or pet!!thks taza,&lvoss.please keep the information and other thing's comming so i can learn even more!!. And what is this ipsid?? I have never heard of it/! And please andrew be quiet!, if your going to get you panties in a bunch just for me asking a question about this!!.
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Sorry but i'm learning as i go and i have never heard of these other diseases before!!. Please explaine them to me more!!!. The hip displaysia i have see in dogs, and it's very nasty to see! But the rest i didn't know about!!!.
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and as for you calling me lazy or ignorance you might want to go back to whenyou started out on do this!! you shure wasn't born a pro at it!!. and as far as laziness you couldn't keep up with my daily life style!!.
Obviously, no good deed goes unpunished. I was trying to make you feel better for all the others (Tanza & Lvoss) who you thought were being mean, only to find you have flipped opinions completely. Suddenly, I'm the bad guy & they are the good guys. You have a screw loose.
The only reason I spent so long last night typing that initial long post is because I STILL REMEMBER what its like to be BRAND NEW to this because I still consider myself BRAND NEW. The difference is, I took the initiative to find a mentor rather than whining on & on about a single issue on the forum. I STILL seek out more mentors (met two more this past weekend), I STILL ask a million questions of anybody who will sit still long enough to listen and answer. On a scale of 1-10 for basenji knowledge, I consider myself a 3. So I will not personally breed my dog by myself until I can consider myself an 8 or 9 at least. I'm still not a pro, and doubt I ever will be. That's why I don't breed.And you are clearly not learning, not even little by little. Before you post anything else at all to anybody about anything, i highly recommend you actually READ and CONSIDER this entire thread several times until you actually understand it.
I feel like we're all banging our heads against a wall. I'm done with this thread. It is futile and stupid.
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"pedro" writes and acts like a 12 year old with nothing better to do than to troll the forum and cause problems. I do not think you are a real adult nor do I think you are truly here for conversation. Please, go elsewhere to get your jollies.
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Andrew ,sorry your not the bad guy!!!. The only thng is i ever know about the breed in any medical situation was the hip, and fanconi!!. That all anybody has really told me about the breed till i got on here!!!. Please except my apolige!! I'm very sorry.! And taza and lovss has been telling me thang with out being mad at me for asking!.i have been trying more and more sinc i got him to know the breed more to learn more!!. But i can't find very much about them or when i do i take to someone that does know the breed of saying they do and don't mitchen any thing you guys have told me !! Really i 'm finding tings to be more and more difficalt in the breed and it has changed my mine a bit!!. Don't thank your not helping !, because you really are!!.i'm starting to thank i will just get a rescue one but i'd like to get a puppy!!. , if that is posible to do !??> please except my apoligy here!.i'm (very ,very sorry!!!.) if there is any other information you 3 have please send them to me !, because i don't really know where to go to get the information!!!.
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I haven't asked you for your input crab a~~!! Yodeldogs
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i have to get off here for a feww so i can strech my daughter's leg's for her theraphy!.
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I haven't asked you for your input crab a~~!! Yodeldogs
I know I said I wouldn't post anymore, but seriously this is the last one.
Yodeldogs IS my mentor. She has spent countless hours with me through e-mail, on the phone and in person at dog shows, lure coursing, on long distance trips to basenji specialties and in her own home teaching me, showing me, being patient with me, and giving me absolutely every single bit of knowledge she possibly has to give me. We have shown both of our girls at the same show where she cheered just as much for my own dog as hers.
She is what Tanza or Lvoss would be to me if I lived on the same coast as them. She's just the only one with enough guts to voice what we all thought, but she did it in a more pleasant way than the rest of us would have.
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These disorders have been mentioned before in this and the other thread. You are not reading posts carefully. You are just hitting reply without fully digesting what is being said.
I am sure this link has been posted before but here it is again, http://www.basenji.org/PUBLIC/HealthInfo.htm It is the BCOA's page on health concerns in the basenji breed and it includes detailed information about each disease and testing.
Then take break, buy the ABC's of Dog Breeding and read it, email some breeders and owners, and just sit back and really take it in for awhile before just jumping to hit reply.
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well, no one on here needs to be craby to me because i'm asking questions.!!.
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thanks there ! the first time you send something to me it wouldn't come up!!. but it did this time!!!!!!!. thanks. !
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"pedro" writes and acts like a 12 year old with nothing better to do than to troll the forum and cause problems. I do not think you are a real adult nor do I think you are truly here for conversation. Please, go elsewhere to get your jollies.
mte!….Robyn...you crab @~~ !! Ha, ha...feel better soon!
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Keep in mind that you will not be able to register any pups produced with the American Kennel Club or the United Kennel Club which are the only legit registries. The rest are made up so that pure for profit breeders can say their puppies have papers. They are of not more use that the paper they are printed on. So just in that respect you would not be a responsible breeder.
And you have been given many links within this thread of sites to visit and learn about the breed, health concerns, etc. that you have not taken advantage of doing so.
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and as for you calling me lazy or ignorance you might want to go back to whenyou started out on do this!! you shure wasn't born a pro at it!!.
You are correct, none of us were pro's at it… HOWEVER, the difference is we found ourselves a mentor to learn from BEFORE we ever considered breeding anything.
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thanks tanza i just didn't thank it would be that hard in breeding a dog!. now that i have been looking at all the stuff that go with it, exspecialy on the health !! you are right!!!! thank's alot for being nice and respectful to me over all this!!.i have changed my mine on breeding him!!!. but i would like to get a playmate for him. and everyone here have said it's best with differnt sexs!! but i'm not ready to breed thats'for sure!!!!!!!> i have to find a mentor!!. it would be great to find one. i'll have to look into getting a nother basenji after i get him fixed, but is it better to get him fixed or would it be better to the female fixed?? because i have heard that it takes off 3- 6 yrs. off his lifeline to fix a male dog of any kind!>?
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It is best to have any non-breeding animals fixed.
