Bad Problem

[Schouiffy]

Did you mention how long you had this pup? I might have missed it, but if it's only for a short time, then its completely unrealistic for this puppy to have been "retrained" so soon. It takes a lot of energy to train a brand new pup much less one that has trained itself it go in the crate. This seems just needs repetition and lots of time. Try not to compare him to your other B - as he has a completly different backround and doesn't understand what he is doing is undesired. A Four month old has about or less than 4 hours to hold their urine/bowls, so he should be going outside pretty much all the time, even more if he is playing a lot. Diligence, consistanty and patience will get him sorted. Just give him time.

[Lesco]

We've tried a towel in his crate as well as nothing at all. We've had him for a little over a week now. we're not looking for miracles but just a little pee or poop outside would be nice.

[Lesco]

I read in a previous post that someone feeds ouside the crate…Since he is used to eating in the crate do you think we should feed him outside the crate too try to break the habbit.

[tanza]

A week is not very long at all, remember this is a learned behavior, to him there is nothing wrong with it…. so I think you need to keep working at it. And I still recommend that you wake him up, carry him outside and stay out till he at least pees.... and after you feed him, outside till he goes potty.....

While you can try feeding him outside of the crate, but IMO, I don't think it will make that much different.

[nobarkus]

@Lesco:

We are getting into the routine, our othe B does eberything very well but the little boy just doen't get it :(:(:(

Be patient and persistent. He'll get it.

[renaultf1]

I have to agree with Pat about carrying him out - wake him up and carry him out. There have been times that my 7mo boy hasn't gone before bed so I let him go to bed, but then about an hour after he goes to sleep I wake him up, take him back out and sure enough he goes.

If he really hasn't gone outside since you got him, so you haven't been able to praise/treat him for going outside - maybe set aside a good chunk of time one of the days this weekend. Feed him, heavy dose of play, walk him and just stay outside with him until he finally goes - even if it is a couple/few hours. That way you get to see him go, and have the opportunity to praise him and give him a treat as soon as he goes. I was always taught to chant softly something like "potty, potty, good potty)".

Do you praise/treat your other b when she goes outside - because he should pick up on that as well.

Also, do you know when he goes in his crate - does he go right after you put him in there or is it more when he wakes up from a nap?

[curlytails]

What about walking him right after he finishes a big meal? I've found that puppies often go within 30 minutes of chowing down. Playing and spending lots of time outside is a good suggestion too. Get him revved up and thirsty, let him drink a lot of water, and then when he can't help it anymore, he'll go… then praise!

Is he nervous or anxious about being outdoors and walked around the neighborhood? I've seen puppies that were so scared of being outdoors (maybe grew up in a crate/sheltered area, like you describe), they couldn't poop/pee... so it was a matter of getting them relaxed enough outside so that they could do their business.

[dcmclcm4]

Sometimes it helps if they smell where another dog has done its business outside so he will know that it is okay to pee/poop outside.

Jennifer

[YodelDogs]

Is the puppy frantic when crated or calm?

[Patty]

Be patient and follow the advice given about carrying him out of the crate after he has eaten. Watch carefully for 'I need to poo' movements (usually restlessness and turning round and round. Also watch him behind to see whther he is pushing out although not all do this.

Personally I think you're expecting a bit much in a short time - usually I find the mothers train their pups in the first instant but he might not have had that puppy learning. I see this was posted as a 'bad problem' but it's certainly not that - there could be far worse problems LOL!!!

Again I say be patient, he's only a baby! You'll most likely look back on this in a few weeks time and wonder why you were so concerned!

[sharronhurlbut]

How much time does he spend in the crate, in a 24 hr period? If you said, I missed it…

[Nilo]

Keep the routine of taking him outside periodically as you are doing and give him LOTS of praise as soon as he does his business outside. It just needs time, since he understood that the only way of relief was doing his job inside the crate. Keep consistency and you will see the positive results you are looking for.