Hello from Edmonton, AB!

[Mango]

Oh, apologies. I started another thread about my conversation with this breeder and I thought I was replying to that one.
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=8624

[Larissa]

@Corion:

I've known the breeder in question for over twenty years. Since I've known the breeder in question for over twenty years, we've shown together in the basenji ring many times over the years, and I have both bred to her dogs, and acquired two of them, I would have to say that the breeder you speak of, near Innisfail, is definitely NOT a backyard breeder. She is a long time reputable breeder who knows the basenji breed inside and out. Her dogs are beautiful, healthy, and of excellent temperament. What are, I wonder, the motives, behind such a blatant attack?

That breeder sold me a 4 year old dog with a horrable overbite and the dog was so under socialised that I had to turn it back to her. If she has changed her ways since 2000, then good for her but by the sounds of it I doubt it. The one dog she has on OFA has Fanconi so maybe you should be carefull. Ms. Corlett isn't a friend of mine.

[sharronhurlbut]

The problem with bad breeders is the public is often not aware of them, until they get a dog who gets sick or a dog they are not able to keep.
IMO, its important to support good breeders and to inform the public about the ones who don't test or work on the dog temperment.

[Corion]

I know this person is a responsible breeder, who makes her own decisions based on the background of her own line. The dog listed on OFA as having fanconi, does not have Fanconi, in point of fact.

[Corion]

I have visited her many times over the years and I'm pleased to say I'm acquiring another beautiful puppy this spring. I was a breeder myself several years ago so I know what I'm looking at unlike some of the other posters.

[sharronhurlbut]

Corion, are you saying that the OFA has it wrong?

[Mango]

All I have to say is this - she told me point-blank she doesn't test her dogs for fanconi, or hip or eye problems. This hardly seems like the behavior of a responsible breeder, whether or not her dogs are healthy. Past that, I don't know the woman.

Believe it or not, you don't have to have experience as a breeder to be able to tell what to look for, please don't condescend.

[Corion]

Sharron, all I can say is that he does not have fanconi,,

Here is a quote directly from these postings:

I spoke to Geoff Sampson at Crufts and the KC has no plans to include Fanconi testing as a noted health issue. They don't normally take action until an actual gene is isolated as there is no telling whether it is for a disease or merely a tendency to the disease (as some genes for a tendency to cancer, for example).

[tanza]

@Corion:

Sharron, all I can say is that he does not have fanconi,,QUOTE]

The OFA site and the Fanconi Linkage tests DO NOT SAY that they have Fanconi… it clearly states that in regards to genetics, they test Prob Affected for Fanconi "genes"... which can mean that have it at present or they have the gene and will prob get Fanconi sometime in the future. Even if it was a direct genetic test, it couldn't say that they "have" it only that they carry the genes to get it. Being late onset, it can begin at most any age... and some even as late of over the age of 10.

And in the US it is not a required test either, but recommended by the Parent Breed Club .... and responsible breeders test their Basenjis "before" breeding. Note also that there are over 3200 tested Basenjis for Fanconi and the results support the test fully, IMO.

Anyone can say "based on my dogs" .... but bottom line is if you don't test, you do not know. And this is for all health testing, not just Fanconi. There are many breeders that thought that Fanconi was not a problem in their particular lines until they started to test and saw all the carriers... if they had continued to breed as they had in the past before the test, they would have Fanconi affected offspring.

[thunderbird8588]

Pat,
if a test result is clear or carrier does this mean that it would still be possible for the Dog to develop Fanconi then ?

[sharronhurlbut]

As Pat has stated, anyone who breeds and doesn't know the parents blood results isn't someone who should be selling basenjis. They are just gambling, and dogs and owners will suffer for this.
They can be selling dogs who are ill, and there is just no need to be doing that.

[khanis]

@Corion:

I know this person is a responsible breeder, who makes her own decisions based on the background of her own line. The dog listed on OFA as having fanconi, does not have Fanconi, in point of fact.

Hi Cori.
I do not know you, nor know anything about you.
BUT, before you start talking about dogs that you know absolutely NOTHING about, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself.
The way you 'talk' about Kofi on this forum,
basically calls me a liar for having given his name and stating that he tested Fanconi Affected.
"Kofi" is the dog listed on the OFA website.
He is just 4 years old and is NOT spilling sugar YET, but I am not sure where you got your information about him.
I can guarantee you that these results are accurate.
Kofi's owner had this intact male tested at MY request.
He also owns a bitch from me, who we were planning to breed.
Being a responsible owner, Bob tested Kofi.
His results were not favorable, so the dog was neutered to assure us that there would not be a Carrier x Affected breeding.

If you have a problem with it, feel free to contact ME off the boards and we can discuss it.
Again, please don't spout information that you are not actually privvy to.

[khanis]

@Corion:

Sharron, all I can say is that he does not have fanconi,,

Sorry Cori,
but you are totally off your rocker.
Look at the pedigrees.
If you really need it written out in front of you, I can do that too.

There are at least two dogs that HAVE to be carriers [Kofi's sire and dam].
They are both in the pedigrees of those litters.
NO ONE can say there is not a probability that there are NOT fanconi affecteds in those litters.
All those sires/dams NEED to be tested.
Don't tell me she doesn't have the money… selling that many pups, she is sure to have it!

Ignorance is NOT bliss in this kind of situation.

[nomrbddgs]

This is not a 100% test, only a Marker test. Anything is possible given the statistics, however, I don't believe any dog that has been tested has morphed from Probable Carrier into Fanconi Afflicted. I could be wrong, as we could all be, but so far, the results of the dogs that were tested are carrying their own weight.

[dcmclcm4]

I have a rescue dog at home that tested probably affected. He just turned two in November and he is not spilling sugar at this time. I fully expect him to do so just as my other dogs that did have Fanconi tested probably affected. So far I have not had any problems with the results of the tests I have received on my rescue dogs.

[giza1]

Hey, I just came across this thread, you want to meet some Basenjis? We live just east of Sherwood Park, we have 3 Basenjis - all rescues.

[Mango]

That would be wonderful! I can email you if you give me your addy, or you could contact me at raeschuller@hotmail.com and we can arrange something. Thank you thank you thank you.

[Patty]

Corion - the quote you mentioned was mine - I am speaking about the UK Kennel Club. We don't have the experience here in Fanconi Syndrome as it is a relatively rare disease in Basnejis in this country.

[sharronhurlbut]

Patty, is it because your folks don't test?? or there is REALLY no fanconi?
not trying to be bitch, I am not a breeder, I am just understanding that its everywhere in basenji lines, and if the test is done, its found

[Patty]

I think thatthe majority of our breeders are testing now but there are still some who don't. The few I know intimately who don't test, to my knowledge, have never had a basenji with Fanconi. Not to say that we haven't got Affected dogs but not many because we have so many fewer Basenjis. For years now the Basenji has not been a popular breed here so registrations are relatively low.

This has always been my puzzle because I've never had a basenji affected with Fanoni and nor anything that could have been fanconi but misdiagnosed as something else. When I had my oldies tested (the test hadn't been available while I was still breeding) I was surpirised to find that one was clear and one a carrier. I must have been breeding carriers or clears only for years! I just don't understand how this is so.

To show the difference between the relative size of the UK and the US Basenji population we currently haven't any in Rescue and for several years had none. In recent years we've had as many as 6 but this is quite rare.

I don't know what our registration figures are for 2009 but if you're interested I can check for you.