Here are some threads that are must read.
The Cost of Raising a Litter
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=4429
Whelping Experience
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=613
Sherwood's Breeding Plans
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=4291
oh, ya, i wouldn't just go in to this blind. thats why i'm on here to find some help before i deciede to breed and depending on his fanconi test!!.thanks for not being mean. i was told most people on here would be when they found out he's a pet shop basenji!.
LOL, now if you were going to go and buy from a pet shop, we most likely would have been quite vocal about trying to talk you out of it and steer you to a responsible breeder.
But the deed is done, you have the pup…. that said, we will be quite vocal on why you should not breed a pet store puppy and if interested in the breed and breeding, find yourself a mentor, learn from them before even thinking about breeding.
i just seen him at a store and feel in love with him!!!!!!! couldnt help it!!. but i'm learning day by day on him and the breed too i didn't even know what the breed was till i went on the internet and looked up the name!.thanks for your help.i really appreciate it.
The thing is that even if he is Clear for fanconi there are many other diseases that we don't have DNA tests for and the only way to reduce the risk of producing them is to know the health status of the dogs in the pedigree. Do you have any way of verifying the health of your dog's parents? How about his siblings? If not, you could very well be breeding a dog that is at high risk for producing PRA, a late onset disease that causes blindness, or hip dysplasia which can be produced by dogs that are phenotypically normal but have affected relatives, or hypothyroidism.
This is why people are urging you to neuter your boy. You have no way of knowing what he carries genetically and since he was from a pet store there is no reliable way to get depth of pedigree info on him.
im going to get him tested for all this
Here is a link to the breed standard
http://www.basenji.org/Basenji%20Standard/Index.htm
And lvoss gave you a link to contact her and she would point you towards people that might be in your area to help you too.
im going to get him tested for all this
OK, you are still missing the point.. and that is you know nothing of his backgroud or the health of his sibling/sire/dam/grand sire/grand dam, etc…
Many of our health concerns are thought to be recessive, which means maybe he doesn't have them, but has the gene. Without know the background you have no idea if any of these problems have come up before with dogs he is related to.
You are not understanding what I am saying. You dog may not have the disease or may not be old enough to show symptoms but could still produce it. It is not just your dog that should be tested but also his parents.
Here are some examples of vertical pedigrees in OFA that show the health testing behind a dog not just of the dog itself.
http://www.offa.org/vertpedigree.html?appnum=1300463#animal
http://www.offa.org/vertpedigree.html?appnum=1300463
istry=ER#animal
Even if you tested your boy for all the recommended things, how well filled out would his vertical pedigrees be?
if i get him tested and there clear then his parents are most likely clear too!!. and the basenjis breed way back in the years before where inffected !, but they breed them.!! and have been breed over and over till poeple started to see thing going wrong with then and this is way back in the breed too!!> i'll have to talk the basenji owner: khan's basenji.
i dont'have that kind of information on him but i do have a 5 generation done on him!.
If he is clear it does NOT mean his parents were clear. A clear puppy can be produced from two carriers but so can an Affected.
Also, you are still not getting the point about the other diseases that do not have a DNA test and only test the dog's phenotype which does not tell you whether they can produce the disease. You can only estimate their likelihood of producing the disease if you know the health results of the parents, siblings, etc.
If you are considering breeding please get a book like the ABC's of Dog Breeding by Dr Claudia Orlandi and learn the basics of genetics and avoiding producing inherited disease.
what a minute!, when if that's the case on other problems that cant'be tested then why are you breeding you b's that tells me that your could be carriers and or have puppies thazt are affected then too!.
Again, you are not understanding what I am saying.
Responsible breeders breed knowing the whole pedigree. So when a DNA test is not present, you have to know the health status of as many of the dogs in the pedigree as possible. That is why you look at vertical pedigrees. If you looked at the vertical pedigree I sent, you would have seen that there was data there for each generation. There may be an occasional "hole" but there were siblings and offspring tested. You need this info to know if dogs have produced the disease even though they themselves do not have it. The more generations you can go back without having the problem the lower the risk of producing the problem but there will always be risk without a DNA test.
Again, you are not understanding what I am saying.
Responsible breeders breed knowing the whole pedigree. So when a DNA test is not present, you have to know the health status of as many of the dogs in the pedigree as possible. That is why you look at vertical pedigrees. If you looked at the vertical pedigree I sent, you would have seen that there was data there for each generation. There may be an occasional "hole" but there were siblings and offspring tested. You need this info to know if dogs have produced the disease even though they themselves do not have it. The more generations you can go back without having the problem the lower the risk of producing the problem but there will always be risk without a DNA test.
Exactly, lvoss….................
I'm doing a dna of him!. That is all i can do!. Because the other's in his back ground i dont'know how to get the test resaultfrom them if any!!. But if he is dna clear then what is the problem . Your going to tell me that you wouldn't breed your's if it came back clear wheather you knew the back ground or not !! If you are going to say no you wouldn't breed if the basenji was tested clear then your not being truthful on here !!.
don't get me wrong but i know alot of ppeople that just don't care and would do it just for the money with any type of dog!!.
im testing mine to see what come out in the test!.at least i'm trying to understand things before i do decide to breed!!.i also know alot of people that get there dogs in to showing and have not a clue of there back ground either!!. atlest i'm trying ! but you seem to be sooo dead bent on tellying me my dog is nothing but crap!! you don't know and i dont know for sure till the test is done!!. and if it comes back clear there is still a possibility that after a few litters there still might be one that has it . and when that time comes i'll have to deal with it !, not anyone else!!. why are you so bent set on telling me i shouldnt breed him!??? you don't know anything about my boy and i'm lerning as i go too!. but i'm trying to understand and all i keep getting from people is he's a pet store dog nothing else!. noone knows what his potensual could be!!. and i want to know!. it's like other breeders are getting pistoff because he came from a pet store. that doesnt mean he can't produce healthy puppies!!. maybe the breeder was to old and didnt want to deal with the b.s from other people!. i know who the breeder is.. and i'm also trying to do more reachserch on her too!!.
atleast im not sitting here say screw everybody's advice but dam i want to give my boy a chance to seee when can become of him i have looked on the petfinder and have seen dozen's of basenji on there that have never been tested and they don't CARE AND EVEN LIE TO THE PEOPLE THEY SELL THE PUPPIES TOO!. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HER WITH ME TRYING TO FIND OUT INFORMATION BRFORE I DO BREED HIM, AND THAT ONLY IS HE''S CLEAR!!!!!!!!> I JUST DON'T GET IT. IT'S LIKE I'M INVADEING OTHER BREEDERS AND GIVEING THEM SOME COMATION BY SAY THE WORDS I WANT TO BREED MY BOY!!. SORRY IF I SOUND LIKE I'M BEING MEAN !!, I'M TRYING NOT TO & DON'T MEAN TO SOUND THAT WAY.
I'm doing a dna of him!. That is all i can do!. Because the other's in his back ground i dont'know how to get the test resaultfrom them if any!!. But if he is dna clear then what is the problem . Your going to tell me that you wouldn't breed your's if it came back clear wheather you knew the back ground or not !! If you are going to say no you wouldn't breed if the basenji was tested clear then your not being truthful on here !!.
You don't know the people on this forum very well. There are several breeders here who have Clears that they have spayed and neutered because they did not "make the grade" in other areas including just not having enough information to know whether they might pass on a different inherited disease.
Like you said before there aren't test for other thing either!!. So how would you know if your basenji's dont carrie some other type of diseases, then if there aren't any other testing then the one's i already know of. And are going to do before i do breed !. I would like to do a serch on your basenji's and go back 5 generation's if possibel?. Most people cant'ven go back that far to get names i'm sorry if im being b~~~chy but all im getting from people is he's already being labeled no good for no reason that i can see so far ! If his parents where carrier's then most likely he would be one too!. Who know's i might get a total shocker and his test come back that he has it!!!. Hopefully not!.i dont'know on the test yet ! I'm waiting to get it and see what happens first. Then i will decide if to breed!!. But you can't tell me that ther aren't people out there that will test and it comes back that the dog has it and breed anyways! . That wrong to do !! I agree on that but till i know what his test is i dont'know what i'm going to do!. But i bet even if i got a basenji that was clear and the generation was too people would still tell me not to because it still compation for other breeders.!!. Please tell me im wrong on that. I can tell you one person right now that lie about there basenji's and do breed them!!. That to me is very wrong! And i wouldn't do that or put someone through that type of deal. ! If i do breed him and the puppies are infected then i have to deal with that and keep them!. But if he has puppies and there clear then i would sell them . But i would also be honest to the people getting them,!. And not doing it just for money.
