@Kembe - Thanks for the update
Looking to adopt a young basenji in Florida
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Rita Jean this perpetuates BYBs and Puppymills. Giving these people money for dogs that they have used and are through with so they will just get more to breed or breed offspring that they have kept and keep doing the same thing.
Go to reputable rescues if you want to save a life. Do NOT give money to millers and perpetuate the cycle.
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That is not fair or correct to the dogs that are there. Just because you are there to bad you stay there you do not need a home. You do not need a home beacuse you happen to belong to the wrong person.
To Otis mother had you done your homework better before getting Otis then you may have the right to say something bad otherwise like some of us including me did not do there homework first only after.
Rita Jean
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It is less fair and more cruel to condemn their puppies to the same fate by making room for the "breeders" new generation of cash crop. And is that harsh, yes, but it doesn't make it any less true.
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Rita Jean,
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Rita Jean, I had done what I thought was my homework, I only realized once I saw those two dogs listed for sale or free, that truly I hadn't. A breeder that truly cares for the dogs he has or has already sold do not keep them outdoors as stated in the ad "I was once an indoor dog, but it has been a while…" . You said you were there yourself and your husband asked to see the adult dogs and you were told they were outside. Did you ever see them? A ten year old dog that has been bred by them and is now being given away for free, that is not a responsible breeder. I am sorry to say. What is it I said that in your mind you think was bad? I am merely telling the truth. I even spoke to Mark the other day about them hopefully doing some more testing, like eyes before they go on and breed more. I do believe that if something were to come up and you needed to bring your dog back to them, they would take it back to resell, which is good.
I did not mean to get you all upset, but you did your research, you spent several hours there, rememeber..?
Either way, regardless of how you feel, it is not good to help these types of business going and yes, the poor dogs get caught in the middle. If we do buy then the BYB keeps the doors open, if we don't then the dogs don't get the home they so clearly deserve.
I am sorry I made anybody upset, I am extremely upset myself, but I only have one person to blame and that would be me, myself and I. -
Go to google and check out anything with puppymill on it.
Look at the photos..they will make you SICK.
Don't believe us..check it out.
PUPPYMILLS are HELL on earth for dogs.
If you buy from them or pet shops, then your supporting this.
Please, check out the websites..there are a ton.
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Getting a Basenji from someplace like Webedoggies is just supporting their cash crop… they are taking no responsibility in a dog that could live another 5 to 6 yrs... and on top of that, they have admitted that it is not house dog, so now you have a double edged sword... one that most likely has temperament problems, is not house trained, is not used to people, along with "I used to live indoors". Clue to that dog is "I am very loving once I get to know you"... that in itself is a pretty tell statement.
When there are responsible rescue groups, why would anyone want to support someone that only cares about the all mighty dollar... and that is all they are doing, dumping what is no longer any used to them... Honestly, I wonder about the male, since they are dumping him at 3yrs...
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Tanza wrote…Honestly, I wonder about the male, since they are dumping him at 3yrs...
My question
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Go to google and check out anything with puppymill on it.
Look at the photos..they will make you SICK.
Don't believe us..check it out.
PUPPYMILLS are HELL on earth for dogs.
If you buy from them or pet shops, then your supporting this.
Please, check out the websites..there are a ton.
Then lets talk.Well put Sharron, to buy these dogs is to support these people.. give them reasons to keep breeding… yes sometimes life is really hard and sometimes you have to make hard choice. If this were a case of these people trying to sell/give away all their dogs and not breed anymore, many groups would consider stepping in to try and help the dogs. That is not the case, all these people care about is cutting costs and breeding more puppies to sell. If you search the forum, you will find posts from these same kind of people looking for ways to cut costs and breed cheap....
I do not toss out my elders when they become old, they have a home for life with us, they are family... and trust me... having 4 elders all within 3yrs of each other is work when they get to be
14, 15, 16 and 17yrs old... And the worst is knowing that at anytime you can lose them... or have to help them over the rainbow bridge. -
Tanza wrote…Honestly, I wonder about the male, since they are dumping him at 3yrs...
My question
Isn't 3 yrs old the time frame that the fanconis starts to show up?Yes, 3yrs they can start spilling, but I think that he was tested if he is Otis's sire. But I would wonder about the temperament… and consider this, I would not be 1/2 as against them selling him if he were already neutered... same with the bitch (being spayed).
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I do know that the dog in particular is Fanconi tested free and clear.
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I love my Otis dearly and always will. I now in retrospect wish I had done more research. I knew when I was looking for a B, to make sure it was from Fanconi clear parents, and I got that, but like I said in retrospect, I wish I would've known better.
It really hit me wrong when in another thread, Tanza was "attacking" the BYB's, I have to admit, I wanted to so badly say what I thought about her…I didn't..boy am I glad I didn't. I thought for sure she had this one wrong, she doesn't know all of them, and she doesn't, but they are all in it for the buck and that she knew..
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Another reason that some breeders will dump young stud dogs is because they are the sire of all of their breeding females. So they look for a new stud dog that they can breed to all their females. It is cheapest for them to have one male that they use on on of their females.
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Sharon I have seen puppy mills and mess and smell and little cages and NO LIFE. Yes that is hell and more but the place we are talking about was not and is not like that at all. First CLEAN and second were not in little cages. While they may not need to have puppies again at LEAST they have the common smart to understand they had to many puppies. These puppies were very greatly LOVED and CARED. They did not just clean them up while for sale they were always clean. DO all you weight your puppies everyday from birth until several weeks old?????? To make sure they have gained the correct weight and are not lossing weight?
The pens outside were clean and nice with tops so that they were safe and they had houses. While I myself would not and do not want mine staying outdoors that is me and my preference.
They have also placed dogs in homes and they were not Basenjis. They have learned what it cost to have puppies like having kids when it was your first child did you know it all and never ever ever cut any cornor ever???
Duke is clear and the reason Otis mother spoke with Mark was becuase Otis got hit by a car and he wanted to know if he was all right. Reason I know is beacuse I spoke with Mark and we were taking about several of the puppies and how they were and I told him about Otis. I also told him he was all right but Marks first word O MY GOD no. Everyone that got a puppy stays in touch and tell them about how they are and what they can do and how big they are. Your puppy mills do not want to hear from you.
As far as the dog at Wayside Ways I looked on the web site he was not on there but they change dogs very often and they are closed on Monday and Tuesday so I cannot call and ask.
I DO NOT CARE WERE (JAYCEE) CAME FROM. Jaycee is the most beautiful chestnut red and she is happy and loves people loves kids and babies and all animals bird,cat.dog she does not see anything different she loves everything to bad people are not like her.Rita Jean
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I love my old dogs as well…even if I didn't breed them, having them in my house, even for a few years, makes the parting then they pass, well awful.
I hope this young boy gets into a family home and isn't passed to another puppymill.
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Rita Jean, we all start somewhere with b's. BUT when you know better you do better.
If your going to support folks like this, then its your choice.
BUT why not support quality breeders next time?
Reward the work and effort.
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I never said I support them not fair to say they are as bad as pupppymills. I have seen bad and those people in simple words should be shot. We have done Akita's for years and years and we have seen lots good and Bad like real BAD. You have said it here and now yourself Sharon. (When you know better you do better.) As I said they may not need to have puppies again but they know better and if you look at least they are doing better. While it still may not make them the number one dog breeder in Missouri at least they are doing better….....................................
Rita Jean
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About that WeBeDoggies place….I don't have a problem with someone rehoming retired breeding animals. I do have a problem with someone calling their own dogs "rescues". This is dishonest. I do not know the story leading up to WeBeDoggies obtaining Dazzle, Duke, and Mia but once WeBeDoggies got them it looks like they were used for breeding. If you own a dog and breed it while it's under your ownership it is NOT a rescue, period.
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While they may have came from a rescue I am not sure what I myself would have said while trying to find them a home. Again I am not standing up for them how ever they also have had to live and learn. Has anyone let them know that the dogs would no longer be called rescue. This is were all of you talk about education and making people understand here is a chance to get one CORRECT-RIGHT…....................
Rita Jean
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Responsible people do not "rescue" dogs and then breed them for profit… rescue is just that, finding a forever home... not making them cash "cows"... and then dumping them when they are not useful any longer. Doing better is not good enough.. doing it right is not about making money, it is about the breed, breeding health, well tested, socialized, well cared for pups that are part of the family from the beginning. Not raising them in kennel runs... Breeding dogs is a hobby, it is not a business... and as for "live and learn"... do that BEFORE YOU BREED, not during and after. Not hard to learn the right way... no need to breed 3 to 5 litters a year... there is no way that you can properly socialize that many pups, period.
And the answer to your question is "yes" I weigh my pups from the minute they are born, daily or 2x's daily if necessary. As do all responsible breeders... but they are also in the house, part of the family... not in a kennel... Sure there are many breeders that I do consider responsible and have kennel runs, but the litters are whelped in the house and the pups stay in the house... the dogs all get house time....
When this particular breeder joined the Forum they wanted to know about "how to cut costs"?... That is not keeping the best interested of the breed in mind
