Puppy News!!!

[lvoss]

The glucose test is just strip testing and only tells whether the dog is symptomatic right now. The parents should have been tested via the marker test prior to breeding. Since this is the second time the parents have been bred since the release of the DNA Marker test in July 2007, this should have been done over a year ago.

[sharronhurlbut]

Oh, you really do need to rethink this, and do more homework.
I had a basenji boy with fanconis and I can tell you, for my family, it was a hard thing indeed.

[Capt_Jack_our_Basenji]

I totally understand. Urgggg…This is getting so frustrating! I just spoke to my mom and she is pretty upset that Sharon (her friend) didn't know Joy hasn't Fanconi tested until now. I thought for sure I had an honest person, I guess some people can really make themselves up... Id love for any advice on some know and respected Breeders you might know of. We are looking for a Domestic Red and White for a Family Pet. Unless they live withing a few hours of Eastern Connecticut, we need someone willing to ship. I know it is late in the year for deposits, and we are likely not to get a litter at this point, but I hope we still have a chance...Please if you have any recommendations we are all ears! Thanks!

[sharronhurlbut]

Pat and Lisa can privately give you the word on breeders who test and are respected.
I sure would listen to them.
Take your time, basenji ownership is for life.
And for a beloved pet, you want one who will be with you for a LONG time.

[Capt_Jack_our_Basenji]

Sorry, who is pat and lisa, lol…

[Capt_Jack_our_Basenji]

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[lvoss]

A starting point would be the BCOA Breeder Directory.

If the breeder has a website check out if they have the parents listed and check for yourself on the OFA website that they have been tested.

I know some breeders have some older puppies still available. This has been posted before but they have two boys listed and health info on the parents so here it is again,
Tammen Basenjis - http://www.tammensbasenjis.com/

[lvoss]

@Capt_Jack_our_Basenji:

http://www.topdogbasenjis.com/index.html

Anyone know anything about this Family? Thanks

I think it is a MAJOR red flag to see on a website that "Puppies can be Fanconi Tested for $100 extra to the puppy owner" The test only costs $65 so this means that they are charging an extra $35 that is going into their pocket on top of the price of the puppy.

[Capt_Jack_our_Basenji]

Wow! Okay Thank You!

[mauigirl]

What about Eldorado Basenjis?

[youngandtired]

I got my precious Sahara from a pet store, big mistake. I found out through testing her this summer that she is probably affected. I have to start testing now, and I hate it that I have to be on the lookout for this dreaded disease. With how you lost Capt. Jack, to love a new B and possibly loose it to Fanconi, I would definitely be looking for tested sire and dame puppies. We love this Basenji so much that I was depressed for wks. after finding out she was affected.

[kiroja]

Wow, where do I start? That website you posted raised soo many red flags, including what Lisa said about probably making money off puppy buyers paying them to do the testing. That's an aweful lot of litters to be well cared for and socialized. It bothers me that their site is set up more like a virtual shopping mall with instant payment, rather than a nice get to know the dogs and breeder type thing. Remember this is a huge relationship that you're getting into when purchasing your dog, or at least it should be. There doesn't appear to be any screening to make sure the home is right for each puppy, you just pick a color, put in your cc, and click a button to get your puppy! The fact that they are AKC inspected means they are breeding at least 3 litters a year. And they are associated with other registries that are designed mostly for byb and puppy mill dogs. If you look, they also breed bloodhounds and coonhounds.

And OUCH, look at that poor puppy held up by it's tail! They don't seem to know anything about handling Basenjis. That is the last thing that I would ever grab! lol Thank goodness they at least test for fanconi now! But probably not much else.

As others said, look at the BCOA directory and contact other breeders. I'm sure you will be able to find a puppy still. Some good breeders have already been recommended. I also know a couple folks personally who still have puppies available. Linda is in Michigan and hopefully has a bitch in whelp. I know she is willing to ship and should have wonderful babies. They should all be reds. http://www.worrywortkennels.com/page/Basenji-Litters.aspx Gale is in Georgia and has been a well respected breeder for a long time. I know she had a large litter a few weeks ago and was planning on another too. She and Susan are working together on the litters. They would definitely be able to work out transportation. http://undercoverbasenjis.com/

[myran]

Even though Undercover Basenjis are nice looking there has been fanconi there too hasn´t there? I have Undercover Bojaks Caitlan behind my dog´s and wasn´t there some issues with Undercover Bojaks Kojak.Luckily the parents of Myran were clear and he´s clear Efia shares the same dad but her mum is a carrier so we´ll test her.Then there´s a whole bunch of breeders in the US that breed on dog´s that are ONLY fanconi tested due to their age some even less then a year.
And people who breed on dog´s with Fair on their hips and dog´s that do not have TgAA taken.
I would never buy a puppy if parents aren´t fanconi tested,TgAA negative,eyes clear with only minor PPM and hips excellent/very good.Rather wait and interview people check them properly through official channels go back generations ask around about their mentality and ask about breeders and their reputation and if they´ve been reported to AKC for misconduct.Then when you finally find your breeder put yourself on a waiting list you do not want have a dog with issues and you do want a honest and supportive breeder.
I understand you´re terribly disappointed but better safe then sorry.

[tsjoe007]

Link to my reaction given in another thread

http://www.basenjiforums.com/showpost.php?p=57983&postcount=33

Please feel free to respond !!:)

Greetings from Belgium

[myran]

That Topdog is totally out of line they sell a trindle for more then their other puppies.That means they do not know squat about breeding as they produce a puppy like it secondly how can they charge more for a colour that isn´t accepted no they are no more then puppymill posing as a serious kennel!!!!!

[tsjoe007]

@mauigirl:

What about Eldorado Basenjis?

I know that the pup my breeder picked up in April, Eldorado's Keeper of the Flame, is tested clear (Eldorado's Keeper Of The Flame (CL) {M} HP288722/05 USA 13 Dec 2007)

You can look it up on the Zande site (http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/search.html)

It's a good sign that more and more breeders/owners decide to run the test, especially since the introduction of the FTA-based Fanconi test. This is the only possible way to eradicate this disease !

[Capt_Jack_our_Basenji]

Thanks Again!!

[lvoss]

I am curious why, if she is doing the appropriate health testing, OFA Thyroid panel and CERF for eyes that she is not spending the $15 to have them registered with CERF and OFA so that all buyers can independently verify that the tests run were done to the standards set by OFA and ACVO. Also, there was no mention of hips being tested.

Also, one other big question, does she take back her puppies for any reason at any age?

[tanza]

Why would they did the blood test when she could have just ordered the cheek swabs? So they paid to have blood drawn and shipped and still have to pay for the DNA test, when for 65.00 they could have order the cheek swab and test from the OFA site. That makes no sense at all? And I don't see that they did Hips and/or elbows? Also, if one parent is a carrier and one is clear, you don't have Fanconi worries, worst the pup could be is carrier. Even breeding an affected to a clear, you get all carriers, none affected.

And I am going to share something with this group about this Breeder. Many times I go to puppyfind.com and nextdaypets.com and then email people with pups for sale asking them if they have health tested at least for Fanconi and asked them to "please" be part of the solution to rid our breed of this horrible affliction. It was 1 week ago that I emailed this breeder…. they didn't even know there was a DNA test, nor did they have any idea that the pedigree of the Sire and Dam was "loaded" with affected dogs.

Will be interested in hearing if the eye exams are CERF exams from a board certified Vet for eyes... and if it is a full Thyroid test, not just the T3 that comes with regular blood work. If just with regular bloodwork, it is not a complete enough test to tell you about Thyroid problems.

Not sure what you mean by "all is negative" on both the Sire and Bitch? What is negative? There is no negative in eye exams?

Glad to hear that you are looking at other breeders.... and I hope that you find your forever pup.... from a responsible breeder.

[tanza]

Once again… Lisa and I are on the same "wave".... posting the same questions a minute apart