@zande and Jengosmonkey... I did send an email and asked about this pup, never got a response... most likely because I asked about health testing and pedigree... or that they did sell the pup. And Zande, you are correct.... across the pond, they are called puppy farmers...here puppy mills and/or back yard breeders (in it for the money)
Basenji Puppies for Sale Ovid, MI
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Thanks a lot.
No I have not done the test yet but I did contact the owner of the mother of my litter. She has both parents of my female–she said that they have been tested and neither have it.
I've read you can test their if their is sugar in their urine and if there is not then they don't have it. And the urine should be tested monthly and if it shows up then to get them tested. Is that true? Either way they will be tested way now that I have read more about it and am more informed.
This is not true. Urine testing only tells you the dog's status on that day and tells you nothing about whether it will produce the disorder since carriers will be unaffected but can produce the disease. You must do the DNA Marker Test to know if your dog carries the gene to produce the disorder. Also, since the disease is late onset, the dog or its parents may not yet be symptomatic but could still be affected.
If your dogs' parents are not in the OFA database as tested, http://www.offa.org, then they have not been tested and you need to order test kits for your dogs. https://secure.offa.org/cart.html
One parent must test Probably Clear to ensure that none of your puppies will ever be Affected. If neither parent is clear you will need to test all the puppies before placing them.
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Please, be more responsible than the folks who sold you the dogs you have…Test your breeding pair and test the puppies.
It will keep you informed if your dogs will become ill.
It will also tell you if your selling sick puppies.
IMO, in this day of lawsuits, its only smart to be sure you disclose to the buyers of your pups the status of their health.
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I guess i have my answer to the question you didnt want to answer for me… no the parents weren't tested. I guess you really do get what you pay for. Stacey from sarnia
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I'm sorry but I have been nothing but honest with everyone from the start. I told you from the start there were other prospective buyers, and in my email I told you they had not been tested.
The buyers that I chose have experience with basenji's by owning them and understand what it takes to own one. I have apologized multple times for not allowing you to buy one of my pups there is nothing more that I can do.
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Basenji experienced people accepted that they were untested?
Regardless, seems like it was probably easier for you to go with the people who weren't giving you grief about that.
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I'll just reiterate what Sharon said…. in this day of litigation, you're really leaving yourself wide open for trouble later on. Now that there is a test for this (and in the grand scope of things, its relatively inexpensive), there is no reason you should be passing Fanconi on to further generations.
Thousands of breeders & owners have undergone the tragedy of Fanconi without fully being able to predict or understand its transmission. Now that there is a test, it is the responsible, and HUMANE thing to do.
If you knew you had a genetic disease & you knew you could have a test to determine if you would pass it on to your human children, would you leave it to chance or get the test done to prevent possible years of suffering and financial strain? -
not allowing me? Never mind no harm intended, i prefer to know about the puppies future
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not allowing me? Never mind no harm intended, i prefer to know about the puppies future
Not trying to add fuel to a fire here but from what I have learned since being a part of this forum it is up to the breeder to decided what is best for the puppy; from what I have read on this post it seems that Thegriffswife is trying to learn and become a responsible breeder you have to respect her decision on whether or not one of her pups is suited for you and your situation. Bravo to thegriffswife for trying to do that.
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Yes, I do agree that breeders do decide what is best for the puppies.
BUT quality breeders or anyone who had a litter for that matter, are responsible for the dogs they produce.
They SHOULD care about the long term health of the pups and be accountable.
I am taking about legally be responsible, as I have little doubt most people who have puppies do love them…BUT its more than that.
They are selling a product and in the country, if you get something defective and you COULD have prevented this from happening, you can be taken to task.
Rehoming puppies to the right home, that is another issue.
Having puppies and not having every test done that can/should be done, is what I am speaking of. -
well i was finished with griping about this, as there was alot of details missing in this thread, i wanted a female, and we had spoke of a payment arrangment. i had replied asking about whether the pups were tested to which a response came saying that they were sold and that the males were still available. now because i posted a reply i was suddenly unsuitable? I was simply miffed because i had already let my son know that he was getting a red and white female puppy who he had named, and had a picture of. I truly believe that had we said we would take a male there would be no issue. (and i could post the note if it was really neccesary, ehich i dont believe it is.) nonetheless i decide to do some research here to see if they were tested or posted here, and in fact they were, and in fact they are not tested so we as a family decided to go with a safer choice with regards to health for all concererned so my son would not have to witness life a possibly sick animal. (irregardless of price.) I meant no ill intent or to start a tiff here but the truth of the matter is it was first come fisrt served, on some best buy puppies, with the outcome of thier lives being buyer beware. i have to say thank you to the entire basenji community for putting the information out there about the risks of faconi, which was what gave me a pasue in deciding to place my down payment.
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I can only hope the new owners of these puppies learn about the fanconis test and do it.
Course, if they don't and they breed, well, guess that is where rescue comes in.
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And may I add….BRAVO to swfseeks.., for not purchasing a pup that could turn out to be affected.
Glad that griffswife is going to test in the future. That in itself doesn't negate the fact that irresponsible breeding has already occurred, and there are untested bitches, studs, and pups in the gene pool.
Placement of pups is a HUGE factor in our breed. However, breeding pups just to be placed, is an abomination.
Hang in there swfseeks. A certified healthy pup is on the way to you if that's what you truly feel, and your house will be a forever home for one of these crazy 'kids'.
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A final note, we are looking for a basenji puppy, color and sex now undetermined( we had chosen the name rosey for a female, but could revisit this process) which is faconi tested, for a family pet which comes to under 675 us shipping includued (as we are canadian) air shipping would be to detroit.
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You might have to do some saving to make sure the funds are there for a responsible breeder, but once that is taken care of, you will not be sorry that you waited.
Dogs are our companions, I have heard of breeders who don't test say, we will take the dog back and give you another.
Heavens!!! this animal isn't a sweater from Nord's that you take back…we all fall in love with the dogs and want to keep them with us.
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I sure will and thank you
It is my hope that all those puppies are just fine too… Here to hoping anyways -
Yes, I do agree that breeders do decide what is best for the puppies.
BUT quality breeders or anyone who had a litter for that matter, are responsible for the dogs they produce.
They SHOULD care about the long term health of the pups and be accountable.
I am taking about legally be responsible, as I have little doubt most people who have puppies do love them…BUT its more than that.
They are selling a product and in the country, if you get something defective and you COULD have prevented this from happening, you can be taken to task.
Rehoming puppies to the right home, that is another issue.
Having puppies and not having every test done that can/should be done, is what I am speaking of.Sharon,
I totally agree with you and I think that thegriffswife is learning and will hopefully become a responsible breeder from everything that we all chat about. I help out with BRAT and know what happens when someone does not go to a responsible breeder and ends up getting in over their head.
As for SWF, I am sorry that your query into getting a basenji did not go so well and I hope that you will find the right little guy or girl for you with a breeder that you feel comfortable with, you are right that testing is very important and it should be done my statment was to support thegriffswife because I feel that she is new at this and is trying to set things right. I hope I am right. As I said, I did not want to add fuel to the fire but I didn't want to see her getting bashed if she is trying to learn to do the right thing.
Is there any chance there may be a B you could be interested in through BRAT? Good luck with your search.
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Dogs are our companions, I have heard of breeders who don't test say, we will take the dog back and give you another.
Heavens!!! this animal isn't a sweater from Nord's that you take back…we all fall in love with the dogs and want to keep them with us.That's a phrase I've never understood. Once I'm attached to my dog, I don't want a replacement!!! I agree with, its not a sweater you return because its defective. Its a living breathing unique individual with its own personality. Nothing could ever replace one of these guys.
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Not trying to add fuel to a fire here but from what I have learned since being a part of this forum it is up to the breeder to decided what is best for the puppy; from what I have read on this post it seems that Thegriffswife is trying to learn and become a responsible breeder you have to respect her decision on whether or not one of her pups is suited for you and your situation. Bravo to thegriffswife for trying to do that.
That part is great… decided where to place the pups... NOT testing for Fanconi is NOT
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That part is great… decided where to place the pups... NOT testing for Fanconi is NOT
I agree totally
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I have a question on peoples opinion (legal if you are a lawyer) Given that most states have a puppy lemon law that requires you to replace OR reimburse up to the price of the puppy for any genetic disorder visible by 1 year. If there is a fanconi test and a puppy buyer purchased a puppy and later did the test and found out it was affected - I think that would be sufficient grounds to sue in small claims court to get your money refunded.
I will be interested to see the first test case - cause I bet there will be one.
