What is your Definition of a Line?
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 19:30 last edited by
Okay, got it Lisa, so you see the head? Ear set? Stop? Eye contour? Muzzle? Squareness? The tuck up? The tail curl? The appearance of the leg length? His colour if fabulous. This is what I see in the Kenset line. What I want to continue because I see this in almost every Kenset dog. Nicky has the same structure, so does Shadow. They are the same for the male head. This is what I the line means to me. Continuity.
The other part is what we are losing as the line comes down. Side wrinkles, we see very little of them anymore. Sugar has the side wrinkles. We're seeing different feet as well.
Unfortunately I only have a few older mags. I'll have to see if someone up here has any, I'm pretty sure I know one that does.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 19:40 last edited by
I can't add to this topic, but I sure do enjoy reading what you all are writing.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 19:47 last edited by
Ahh, but Sharron, you have seen a lot of Basenji's, you probably have noticed characteristics familiar to you when you are looking at them. Maybe a pointier face, rounder eyes, nose colour, coat colour, etc. You probably just never thought about it until it was pointed out!
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 19:50 last edited by
Yes, and I think they all are beautiful! laugh…
I do apprecaite the PNW breeders who can help me find out if a stray basenji belongs to any special line or breeder.
Some can look at a dog and say, "oh, that looks like the XYZ line!"
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 20:20 last edited by
I love Prune. I think he was an awesome dog. He is behind three of my dogs.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 20:21 last edited by
When you start looking at dogs, you'll know what you like, and invariably find that the dog you like went back to a certain line.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 20:22 last edited by
And, Andrea, do you find similarities?
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 20:37 last edited by
Just out of curiosity….is temperament figured into a "line"? Or is that not something that is genetically handed down?
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 20:44 last edited by
I've found it can be progress down through the 'line'. I've seen some nasty dogs from the same lines in different parts of the countries.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 21:07 last edited by
I think temperament is one of the traits that can make a line distinct from others. There is definitely an inherited component to temperament but it will also be influenced by environment especially early socialization.
This year, I leased TC who is primarily a blend of Kenset and Tamsala lines. I see in her many behavior traits that she has in common with my own dogs who all have Kenset lines behind them. Such as, TC and Nicky both love to open cabinets and go exploring. They also rub their faces on their beds the same way after eating certain meals.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 21:13 last edited by
Oh, that's funny Lisa! Shadow opens cupboards and doors and Sugar is the rubber on beds! So again, Kenset lines.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 21:24 last edited by
To me, a "line" is created through multiple generations of linebreeding and inbreeding which is generally accompanied by a distinct "type" that is discernable by experienced eyes.
For many years, in my area, it was easy to tell who the breeder of a dog was just by looking at that animal. Kenset, Serengeti, Candu, and UnderCover each has their own unique look that set them apart from everyone else. Today, it is not so easy to tell.
I had my first litter 16 years ago and my 6th generation is currently "in the oven". My dogs are closely linebred yet I do get a range of overall type. Do I fit my own criteria for a "line"? I am not sure I would say yes at this point but I plan to continue to work towards it.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 21:44 last edited by
However, you need to keep in mind when you are tightly breeding a line you can keep developing poor conformation faults, just line temperament. One of the biggest problems I see in Basenjis today is poor fronts and in particular, straight fronts, with poor movement.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 21:59 last edited by
Has there been loss of "body since the late 70's?
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wrote on 22 Nov 2008, 22:11 last edited by
Thanks so much! It is really interesting to read the opinion and thought that goes in to all of your breeding plans.
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wrote on 23 Nov 2008, 00:47 last edited by
And, Andrea, do you find similarities?
Yes, particularly with Querk…great ear shape and set, nice shaped head, lots and lots of wrinkle. There is a lot of other lines mixed in there with him...but I aways thought I could see a lot of the Prune in him.
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wrote on 23 Nov 2008, 01:00 last edited by
Prune was an outstanding lovely dog…
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wrote on 23 Nov 2008, 01:00 last edited by
So you would say that temperment is passed down in some like nice fronts or ear sets?
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wrote on 23 Nov 2008, 01:28 last edited by
So you would say that temperment is passed down in some like nice fronts or ear sets?
Nope… can have terrible fronts and/or ear sets.... since that is conformation... temperament is temperament .... can come in Basenjis that do not have correct conformation.. or ones that do.... but in breeding you have to consider all... health and temperament at the top of the list... and then you figure in conformation... it comes as a package when you are breeding correctly.. IMO...
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