Trail dog

[chilingoober]

Thanks for the replies. I believe a tired dog of any breed is a good dog. My doberman is much happier after we have played ball, and he has his tongue hanging out. Then he is relaxed. (this is a short session every day, just enough to burn some of his energy)
I just wanted to know that if I took a B. off leash, that it would return shortly. My doberman can't stand to not have us in sight. Always doing a perimeter check, then back to us to check in. I like that. I don't want a dog to go off and stay off for a long time.
What are the differences in training a B. compared to a Doberman? The dobe is so easy to train. He figures things out. I've never had a dog that was intelligent, til him. Smart yes, like shelties, but intelligently figure out things is neat. Are the B.'s this way?
On the prey drive: will the B. naturally bring in his kills (quail, rabbits) back to you? Or do you have to spend a lot of time training him to? Or does he just keep it and eat? Just wondering how to go about that if I want to use him to hunt small game?
I read several web sites, and the escaping part was on them, that if you left a door open, out goes the dog. So can I let him out in the yard to go potty without supervision, or do I have to have him leashed at all times? I just let my Dobe out, and he noses the door when he's ready to come in. How different is the B? If I'm gone for the day, do I have to keep him tied (which I don't like) or will he stay happily in the yard with my other dog? We have a large yard, half in 6ft metal fencing, the other half in chain link.

We have the rattlesnakes and the coyotes. Will have to learn how to teach them to avoid snakes. I always figured my schnauzer would die from a snake bite, but she never got bit once. I don't know how she avoided them, because when she got hot on the trail, she backed up to the yucca and sit in the shade.

[tanza]

1. Basenjis are not easy to train, it is consistent work, and they are very intelligent… so much so that they are the ones asking "What is in it for me?"
2. Prey Drive, they will kill it and eat it 99% of the time.
3. You can not under any circumstance just open a door for them to go potty on their own... 100% of the time they will be gone. And they will NOT stay in the yard with other dogs without a fence. As long is there is no real way to escape most likely they will stay with the pack, but I have to say, they perfer to be indoors...
4. Good luck on snakes. I have a good friend that hikes all over the southwest.. he has had his Basenji to rattlesnake school 3 times.. and nope has never learned to leave them alone...
5. I have another friend that goes running with her dogs in one of the open space regional pks here, and hers have chased coyotes and been in fights with them...

[chilingoober]

Well, most of the time I leave my dogs inside. I like leaving the Dobe inside while I'm gone. We feel much safer with him around. So what kind of fencing does everyone have?
My son has a beagle. Definately understand the "what's in it for me?" attitude. But he's loveable. Much more loveable than the Dobe. The Dobe is more regal and aloof. And then he can turn around and be a complete galloping jackrabbit.

[gemurray]

Warning: Basenji's will climb chain link fence. I have a 6' wooden fence that works well. Though my first B climbed up a wood pile that was next to a 6' woden fence and jumped over it - she was a bit sore for a few days after the landing!

All of my B's have stayed with me very well when hiking. They will usually be out in front then if they find something to check out will be sniffing while I pass them. They will come running pretty soon and pass me up to take the lead again. I do keep a lead handy though if I spot a deer before she does, or like happened last Spring, I heard something up the trail ahead and put her on her lead just in time for her to flush a turkey. And if I wouldn't have put her on we would have been having wild turkey for dinner that night! I've also have people on Mtn Bikes come down the trail, and she'll run after them a bit, then come running to catch up with me. But, I always walk her on a lead when I'm in town - she thinks that cars a big rabbits or something, and wants to chase after them!

[achandl2]

I have had to catch and pry several birds out of Manning's mouth. He wouldn't just drop them at my feet that's for sure. We went out on the trail in the Big South Fork last fall. Manning loved it but he remained leashed at all times. He isn't trustworthy off the leash.

[wizard]

Each basenji is different though there are common threads. Not all will climb chain link fences - mine doesn't even though he can jump straight up 5 feet from a sitting position but his aunt could clear a 7 foot fence with a running start; not all will trail as nicely as gemurray's - my previous beastie would follow animal trails until he pooped out and not come back as readily if called and my current one will chase rabbits until he catches it or the rabbit gets through a fence (and he'll eat the rabbit); some are easy to train and others not - my obedience instructor said she has seen basenjis that just didn't want to learn and would constantly actup in class and others learned exceptionally quickly - it depends a lot on the owner and how much time and quality of training you spend. There are people on this forum who have basenjis that are champion agility dogs (talk about training).
So bottom line, talk to different breeders and see what the potential parents are like of the puppies you are interested in. Read through some of the other threads on this forum and see the funny things they do and problems that beasties can into. Also be aware of the health issues.
Then go for it

[chilingoober]

I am getting this response in other forums also. It is certain dogs in the breed that do this. Some are easier to train than others. One said he trained his dog not to climb the fence, and I am waiting for a reply as to how he did that. Does anyone here know how to train them not to climb a fence? One said that hers didn't respond well to corrections, but more treat training. My Dobe just likes to please, and will work for treats, except when we play ball, and then its down to business. The beagle looks at you like, so, what's in it for me. You show him the treat, and he's the brightest student in class. So these are the extremes I'm living with. Where in between does the basenji fit??

[wizard]

The basenji will do anything you want him/her to do … provided it's something s/he wants to do

[lvoss]

@chilingoober:

I am getting this response in other forums also. It is certain dogs in the breed that do this. Some are easier to train than others. One said he trained his dog not to climb the fence, and I am waiting for a reply as to how he did that. Does anyone here know how to train them not to climb a fence? One said that hers didn't respond well to corrections, but more treat training. My Dobe just likes to please, and will work for treats, except when we play ball, and then its down to business. The beagle looks at you like, so, what's in it for me. You show him the treat, and he's the brightest student in class. So these are the extremes I'm living with. Where in between does the basenji fit??

The basenji is closer to beagle if not a bit more challenging. My obedience instructor said if she had to try to explain a basenji the best way she could think of was to put them in contrast to her whippet. Her whippet is also a sighthound and has a good prey drive but her whippet needs a maid and knows it, he needs some one to open the door, to feed him, to put his coat on him when he is cold. In contrast, a basenji knows there is no maid and even if there was one, isn't sitting around waiting for them to do what needs to be done. Basenjis are intelligent and persistent. They are not going to wait for someone else to solve their problems and often times people are not really pleased with their solutions.

So basenjis do very well with positive reinforcement training because there is a clear benefit to them in doing it. Basenjis can be reinforced to respect boundaries but if the thing on the other side is more rewarding they will probably go for it. Basenjis like being with their people, they enjoy having a "job" in the family even if the job is couch warmer supreme.

Some examples of what living with a basenji can be like. I had to buy a new refrigerator to keep my male from opening the fridge and helping himself to beef and lamb roasts. He would not open the fridge any other time but would sneak off and help himself everytime we had a roast in the fridge. The first time we didn't catch him until he ingested all 2 pounds of roast. He can also open all of our cabinets and drawers so we had to install child safety locks but he learned how to open some of those so we have to be careful what brand we install. Nicky is also quite capable of jumping up on the counter but does not only because as a youngster he accidently jumped into a cake which resulted in an immediate bath and one other time he jumped into a large bowl that soaking in the sink. He now practices look before you leap but if he can see up there then he will be up there.

My girl Rio will happily be contained by a simple baby gate in the house while I am home but if I leave she will be over it in a heartbeat to be with the other dogs and she has always done this. She also easily leaps out of her x-pen, one person at a lure trial described it as watching me catch popcorn when I opened the lid because she would leap into my arms each time.

[wizard]

Oh my gawd - your house lvoss must be truely chaos

[chilingoober]

All very good replies. I can see how independent this breed is, and in a way, that's what I want in a dog–one that can think for himself. I think I'm afraid that if it runs off it won't come back. I keep thinking about what I read on how the bushmen used the dog, to push the game into nets. It can obviously be trained to work as a team also, instead of just deciding on its own what to do all the time. Does anyone have any info on how they were trained in Africa? That would be very interesting. I really like the trainability of my Doberman. He has spoiled me. He can figure things out. The beagle doesn't bug me to go play. He is more laid back. The Dobe needs me to play on a schedule every day. He has energy to burn and knows he needs to run around. Then he is a happy dog. I enjoy both of them.

[dash]

I can certainly attest to the independence and inttelligence. When we call Dash to come he is always, always, always rewarded with cheese wether we are in the house, yard, whatever. He know this and if he does get loose he will come after much socialization with neighbors to get his cheese. Getting a B to come when called can be especially challenging in the patience arena so plan ahead.

Dash has decided over the last few days or so that he no longer wants to be in the expen. He jumps on it until it lifts up at the bottom and then dives underneath. This takes about 5 minutes now. We have decided to comply and we gate off the upstairs. He can jump the gate but the beagle can't and he won't be alone. We just put his blanket on the couch and so far he has been content. God, I hope it lasts. That is why I am now looking in to doggie doors so they can come and go as they please.

Our life is constantly adjusting to the dogs needs and wants. It is like living with another very pushy adult.

[lvoss]

I take two of my basenjis for country walks off leash with other friends with dogs. All the dogs mostly stay together and all are rewarded frequently for "checking in" with their owners. I am always prepared to leash mine up and probably do leash mine more often than the people with other dogs. So can basenjis be off leash? Yes, but as an owner you will have to make sure the situations are ones that are safe and understand that if you are where there is a lot of wildlife you will probably have to leash them. I would not recommend a basenji to a person who really wants a dog that is going to be good offleash. Their hard wiring is to give chase and though with training you can raise your value so they are more likely to stay near by or if they give chase that they will not go too far, that hard wiring will always be there. They can be good off leash but it is not something that I would expect.

[nala121498]

Nala is a big off leash hiker. She has hiked miles and miles of the Long Trail, which is only about 1 mile from our house. She seems like she can go on forever! It is very rural and no cars are even remotely close, otherwise we wouldn't have her off leash. There is a logging road that we access the trails from and she is on leash to and from the main trail.

[chilingoober]

ok, so the B.'s are independent, do what they want etc…. So what is it about the breed that outweighs all the negative factors. What is it about them that makes you put up with them. ??

[tanza]

Now there is the 64 Thousand Dollar question, I ask myself that all the time! Personally, I like the independence, they are not "clingy" dogs.. they are not dogs that stand there with a ball in their mouth 24/7 waiting for you to throw it…. they have a sense of humor and their people need one also... they are great bed dogs... Relative to many breeds they are pretty healthy and those of us who breed care deeply about raising sound, health, good temperaments and confomation correct Basenjis that will not only make great family companions but great show/performance dogs.

[MacPack]

Basenjis are not necessarily "good dogs" but they are wonderful friends, housemates, partners. They are very smart, always thinking, which challenges you to be constantly out-thinking them (or trying to). They are clean, elegant, lovely to look at, with bright intelligent eyes. They are thoughtful creatures, sympathetic when you are ill or hurt, ready to snuggle for a week! Want to run or bike? They are great athletes, keep them in shape and a 5 month old can run 5 miles and not even pant. How do I love them, let me count the ways…..........

Of course you MUST have a sense of humor, and show pride when your basenji outsmarts you. And you have found a great 'support group', where all of us that are truly nuts about our basenjis chat and commiserate together.

They are fun, they are a pain, they are a joy.

Does that answer your question?

Anne in Tampa

[wizard]

Because they are way smarter than humans;
Because they have great compassion for their human partners;
Because they are mischevious and will make you laugh and cry at the same time;
Because they don't demand you constantly play with them;
Because they are clean and don't smell;
Because they are houdinis;
Because they have great expressive faces;
Because they …
Because ...

[chilingoober]

wow. They sound like such a neat dog. I will keep all this in mind as look around. Thanks for all the replies.

[lvoss]

I think the best thing is to go and meet them in person and not just one family of basenjis talk to a couple of breeders and meet their dogs. Each one is an individual and each family of dogs is a little different.

I had one person visit with my dogs at a lure trial. My girl wanted a better view of the field and crawled up to stand on his head and scream in his ear because she wanted the lure so bad. He still wanted a basenji and came back to meet them at home where all my girl wanted was to be pet and given attention.

I have had other people who have come over after they met other breeders' dogs and they comment on how different each family of dog is. They are all basenjis and all have traits in common but there are individual quirks that make them all a little different too.