Well, so much for drugs…..

Keoki's separation/crate/whatever anxiety is getting progressively worse. He has days where I see a glimmer of hope, but they always turn out to be false alarms and the succeeding days are worse.

I mentioned in a previous post that the herbal/alcohol remedy didn't work beyond the first couple of nights, I'd finally resorted to drugs until I can see the behaviorist tomorrow. Because this was short term, and because Keoki isn't sleeping at night for more than two hours {that's the Loooong stretch, most are 20 - 30 minutes}, the vet gave us Acepromazine.

I was hopeful last night as the 1/2 tab {12.5 mg} seemed to knock him right out. He went into his crate, no problem and went to sleep . . . 😃

for three hours. :mad: The rest of the night I was up with what appeared to be an agitated drunk, or a lunatic on speed. He did not become aggressive, which is one of the potential side effects, but quite the opposite. He seemed more desperate to have me RIGHT there. The poor dog was pretty much his normal crated self – whining, tearing, digging at the crate -- but so doped he couldn't stand up. It was awful.:(

A call to the vet and we're not using the Ace tonight. She gave me some tips to try today/tonight, and she was going to talk to the behaviorist. I'm hoping for a call back soon so we can get things moving before I take him in tomorrow.

My only thought at this moment is: yawn.

Poor Keoki-and poor Mom! Good luck with the behaviourist!

Gosh Jazz!
Im sorry for Keoki. That poor little guy.
I really hope the therapist helps. Fingers and paws crossed. I know how ya feel…i need my sleep. Without it...i'm likely to loose my mind.
Keep us updated on his progress.

Lots of luck I'm sure it will work out. Sleep deprivation is not fun… Hang in there.

I'm sure there's more history here that I've missed–but any reason to not let him sleep in the bed with you?

@MaxBooBooBear:

I'm sure there's more history here that I've missed–but any reason to not let him sleep in the bed with you?

Yeah, LOL, I need my husband's paycheck 😃

Have you talked to Brian?… are/is anyone else in the litter like him?

@JazzysMom:

Yeah, LOL, I need my husband's paycheck 😃

Too funny! Best of luck to you. I'm sure the behaviorist will have some great ideas…hang in there. 🙂

Has anyone here ever used an Anxiety Wrap on their dog? I haven't but I have seen advertisements for it. Here's a link to one site on the net:

http://www.petexpertise.com/item–Anxiety-Wrap--Anxiety_Wrap.html

I would love to know someone's experiences with this item.

@jenwilson:

Has anyone here ever used an Anxiety Wrap on their dog? I haven't but I have seen advertisements for it. Here's a link to one site on the net:

http://www.petexpertise.com/item–Anxiety-Wrap--Anxiety_Wrap.html

I would love to know someone's experiences with this item.

Certainly I have never used one, of course this is the first I ever saw one, but I would be very, very surprised if it worked…. IMO...

@tanza:

Certainly I have never used one, of course this is the first I ever saw one, but I would be very, very surprised if it worked…. IMO...

When Senji was a puppy, he was a lot calmer when he had his sweater on. It had holes for his front legs and a velcro closure along the back. I think he felt very "snuggly" and secure in it. I could tell that he was a lot more rambunctious when he wasn't wearing it.

I have been to many dog behavior classes…and they do say Anxiety Wrap does work...well, the price of an ace bandage is cheap, so, why not try it?
Another suggestion is to put the crate by the bed, so the dog will be able to know your with him...
When the dog gets stressed..you can put your hands in the bars, and sooth him..
We have done that with rescue dogs who couldn't be on the bed with our b's.

Well, we saw the behaviorist today. It was interesting. She said a lot of things that I think I already knew deep inside. Essentially, I have a dog with a bio-chemical problem – he was born with it, he'll die with it, and we have to work on teaching him how to live with it.

We've started on a two-week rehabilitation process, which is essentially hands-off. The idea is for Keoki to learn that he will live even if his people are not constantly with him. It's a problem he was born with,and our lifestyle {stay-at-home, homeschooling} hasn't exactly helped him, LOL, as he never experiences life without his people. And my coddling him at bedtime surely hasn't helped to convince him that he can survive a moment w/out his people.

I am to call her in the AM to let her know how the evening went, and every morning thereafter. After the two week period has passed, she will re-evaluate him, note changes and begin the behavior modification training.

Everything she said made such perfect sense, ever observation she made was dead-on.

We agreed that rehabilitation will be easier for him and for us if we are not dealing with hormone surges, so I've decided not to show him anymore but to have him neutered. The shows were just for fun, and it's more important that we work him toward health.

I was really surprised by his behavior in the center. He was so fearful, literally glued to my and/or my daughter's legs, even when she tossed beef tendons {HIGH reward for Keoki!}, he wouldn't venture out to grab it; backing away and growling when she walked briskly AWAY from us.
He was a different dog away from home.

One bright spot -- she's technically retired from this business and usually will evaluate dogs that the vet recommends to her {she is currently the administrator of the vet hospital and training center} and refer them out to whichever trainer she feels will work best for that dog/family.
After our visit today, she decided that she's interested in Keoki and his progress and is going to do his treatment as a courtesy! WOW!!! I wanted to fall over. I've got to send her flowers or something!

Anyway, we've gotten a good start on helping Keoki become healthy. I feel very good about our meeting today, the current plan of attack, and am very optimistic!

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That's wonderful, JM. It sounds like you found yourself a gem. I'm sure Keoki will come around. I'll keep good thoughts for all, please keep us posted on how it all goes. ((Hugs))

Oh, I would also be interested in the training process as well and how it goes, including Keoki's and your progress and feelings towards what's going on and the observation's you make!

I've been reading your story but had no input for you, but am soooooo glad things are getting better. Good luck….. keep us posted.

@Quercus:

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Me too... please if you would post on the Forum... sounds like something many, many of us would be interested in....

Okay, here's a explanatory paragraph I found on a website –

In severe cases the owner may also have to take steps to weaken the dog's dependency upon a person. This requires the owner to ignore the dog for a period of time, sometimes up to three weeks (Flannigan, Personal comm.). This will not break the bond between owner and dog but it will decrease the dog's extreme dependency and allow it to tolerate its owner¹s absence without anxiety (Machum 1991). Ignoring your favourite pet may be difficult but it is important to keep in mind that a much more healthy and happy relationship will result.

Keoki's separation anxiety may be exacerbated by the fact that we are a homeschooling family. Every moment of his day/week is filled with his people – there are a lot of us, and just about any room he goes into, will have a person in it, LOL -- so he seems just fine most of the time. The problems get very bad when we do have to leave him, which is typically only twice a week. The dogs are alone {together} on Saturdays for a few hours, and on Sundays for a few hours in the morning. Weekends are a bad time for him, and weekend nights seem to find him more anxious than ever when it comes to bedtime. It's as if the fact that we can leave actually hits him the face and he becomes afraid we're going to do it again.

Now, he has slept well the last two nights in the ex-pen, but Saturday is coming. I am not confident that he will sleep this weekend, as his pattern has been to have a really tough time Saturday through Monday nights.

Anyway, I think the fact that he SO identifies with us as a part of him in that way, is why the behaviorist is taking such a drastic step with him.

That said, Bryan has a different perspective so now I am trying to consolidate BOTH their opinions and figure out what to do! 😕 No easy task since we can't all sit down together and am operating on a "he says, but she says" email/telephone system.

sigh, I just want to do what is best for the dog, kwim. Why can't it all be easy? 😞

@JazzysMom:

Okay, here's a explanatory paragraph I found on a website –

In severe cases the owner may also have to take steps to weaken the dog's dependency upon a person. This requires the owner to ignore the dog for a period of time, sometimes up to three weeks (Flannigan, Personal comm.). This will not break the bond between owner and dog but it will decrease the dog's extreme dependency and allow it to tolerate its owner¹s absence without anxiety (Machum 1991). Ignoring your favourite pet may be difficult but it is important to keep in mind that a much more healthy and happy relationship will result.

Keoki's separation anxiety may be exacerbated by the fact that we are a homeschooling family. Every moment of his day/week is filled with his people – there are a lot of us, and just about any room he goes into, will have a person in it, LOL -- so he seems just fine most of the time. The problems get very bad when we do have to leave him, which is typically only twice a week. The dogs are alone {together} on Saturdays for a few hours, and on Sundays for a few hours in the morning. Weekends are a bad time for him, and weekend nights seem to find him more anxious than ever when it comes to bedtime. It's as if the fact that we can leave actually hits him the face and he becomes afraid we're going to do it again.

Now, he has slept well the last two nights in the ex-pen, but Saturday is coming. I am not confident that he will sleep this weekend, as his pattern has been to have a really tough time Saturday through Monday nights.

Anyway, I think the fact that he SO identifies with us as a part of him in that way, is why the behaviorist is taking such a drastic step with him.

That said, Bryan has a different perspective so now I am trying to consolidate BOTH their opinions and figure out what to do! 😕 No easy task since we can't all sit down together and am operating on a "he says, but she says" email/telephone system.

sigh, I just want to do what is best for the dog, kwim. Why can't it all be easy? 😞

I have to say, I think I would try the behaviorist method… It make sense to me.... I think it would be hard to try and combine two different peoples ideas... instead of just sticking to one...

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