@kjdonkers Yes, or at least a confined area with a potty pad set up or potty station. Then if she HAS to go, no disaster.
Help - Kiya is having a diarrhea bout for months
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@alex Try a teaspoon of pure pumpkin each day to see if that helps settle her stomach. The fiber, vitamins and minerals won't hurt her. I've found that this small amount typically helps "firm things up". Too much has the opposite effect.
[note: A can of pumpkin contains many teaspoonfuls. Put dots of pumpkin on a cookie sheet and freeze it, then pop the pumpkin dots into a zipper freezer bag and pull out the daily dose. Doodle likes them frozen.]
Please let us know what the new Vet thinks.
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@tanza contacted Donna just now.
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@alex My Vet gave me several recipes for doodle, I thought this one might help:
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@elbrant - Alex first needs to ID the cause of this diarrhea for months.... before trying all kinds of different foods... By changing the diet all the time is just a cover up to the cause.
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@elbrant You need expert veterinary advice in this sort of situation. Changing foods without a proper diagnosis can be harmful.
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@zande Exactly... Zande... she is an elder... and we know that with age there are many things that could be going on.... and happy that Alex is contacting Kiya's breeder.....
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@tanza Donna will help. She's a good guy !
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@tanza said in Help - Kiya is having a diarrhea bout for months:
Alex first needs to ID the cause of this diarrhea for months....
Of course.
@zande said in Help - Kiya is having a diarrhea bout for months:
You need expert veterinary advice in this sort of situation
I never said anything to suggest that a Vet shouldn't be consulted....
Considering that this has been an ongoing issue and not just something that started this week, providing food that will be easier to digest may help the situation. Alex stated that the alternatives he tried were unsuccessful. Feeding Kiya a Vet recommended recipe made with human grade food and developed by a respected Pet Food Manufacturer certainly wouldn't hurt. Whether Alex decides to try it or not is his decision.
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@elbrant thank you, Kiya is on rice and groundbeed for now, until all the tests are done.
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Quick update, we called 10 vets on Monday, most are not accepting new patients, there is a shortage of vets in the industry due to covid I guess. We got 1 hit, which is all we needed, and had a mobile vet come to our house yesterday. The vet agreed that it does not look like a parasite infection, since we tried the usual anti-biotics without any success and took a bunch of blood tests (including TLI test for EPI). EPI tests is also something that was suggested by a bunch of Basenji people in the Basenji Companions FB group and also folks in the EPI Facebook group. I really hope that is it and a diet plan + enzyme supplement will get Kiya to digest the food again.
I also ordered an animal biome test, so we will see what that comes back with.
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@alex Very interested to hear what the final diagnosis is. And so glad you found a vet. We are experiencing similar problems here but at least mine are well trained in Basenji-health
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Quick update on Kiya, hope this is helpful to others dealing with similar issues:
We had a full blood panel done for parasites, kidneys, thyroid, liver function, etc.. also a TLI test for EPI and a urine test. Still waiting for the gut test results from (animalbiome.com).
While waiting for test results, and since all the signals were pointing at EPI, we started her on an enzyme supplement (BioCase Plus), which is enzymes + probiotic + b12 supplement. Something a lot of people successfully use for treating EPI dogs according to the EPI FB group. To our surprise after 2 days of supplement, liquid poop firmed up a bit and for the first time in months, she had solid poops (not consistently solid, but also not as liquid as before and not needing to go out every 30 min).
Fortunately and unfortunately, the EPI test came negative, her TLI was fine, and her liver functions were fine, no thyroid issues, but her proteins+b12+calcium level was very low, which supports the weight loss of 5lbs in two months. The vet diagnosed and decided to treat her for PLE protein-losing enteropathy and said we should continue BioCase Plus as it's probably helping her pancreas, which in turn helps other body functions.
She had an injection of a steroid (dexamethasone) and is on prednisone to ease her GI inflammation, also she is eating Hills Diet Biome prescription food right now + taking b12 + calcium supplement. It seems like she is doing better (no major diarrhea) and is less anxious, but time will tell and we will see if she starts gaining weight over the next few weeks on this new prescription diet.
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@alex - Glad to hear that she is doing better and you at least got some answers...
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@alex I sometimes wish we humans could get the same benefit from Vitamin B12 as our older Basenjis do ! My Vet calls it geriatric juice. So glad she is doing better -
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@alex I'm no expert and am certainly not a vet, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. Jengo had loose stools for the longest time. We struggled and finally ended up going to a grain free high protein kibble. That seemed to do the trick for him, but in retrospect I believe it was a mistake. Too much protein and not enough fiber.
I feed my current two high protein kibble, but not a lot. I mix in riced cauliflower or diced broccoli with each of their two daily meals, and pumpkin with each diner. I also mix in Dogzymes Probiotic Max with each meal. There are several other things I add, but the vegetables and probiotics are what seem to keep them firm.
Glad you're making progress.
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@jengosmonkey thanks for the advice. Both Chance and Kiya (almost the same age) were on high protein kibble (Acana Grasslands), until they started having severe GI issues, at that time our vet recommended getting them off a high protein diet. So we've been on Dr. Harvey's premix + protein for over a year, until recently, when we think the formula changed or Kiya developed PLE.
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@alex - That is always a problem with store bought foods... they change the mix or a different place that makes it and never tell the public... I think that many, many issues are because of this....
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@jengosmonkey - Me too Jengosmonkey, I have always in the last 10+ years changed up foods all the time... and I too mix in lots of veggies and they get yogurt every day and they love it as a treat... I do find that they have "more" poops/bigger poops when I do not use the grain free, not a huge problem.. just what I have seen... and I do use canned wet in the morning, but only a heaping teaspoon... But by changing up the foods all the time, I never even at age 12, have to worry about tummy upset at this point.
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@zande said in Help - Kiya is having a diarrhea bout for months:
wish we humans could get the same benefit from Vitamin B12
as an aside: Humans need all of the B Vitamins for B12 to work it's magic. B12 alone will not do the trick, I take a "Super B Complex" vitamin every day for exactly this reason!
