Breeders-Why and What?

[nomrbddgs]

Yes the DNA testing is looooong overdue. Unfortunately to get it right takes time. I've heard that they thought they had one some years ago but it wasn't very accurate. If this does come to fruation, we may be able to stop some of the BYB.

[tanza]

@lvoss:

When I first said I was going to get a black and white, there were people who told said, "Why would you want a black and white?" or "You know it will be hard to finish a black and white". Then Rally was here and I didn't hear those things much anymore. And as for blacks being harder to finish, not in my experience. I finished Rally 1 week after her second birthday owner handled to every point in California. My mom handled Cole to his championship finishing 3 weeks after his second birthday. Nicky and Rio, my reds have been much more difficult. But Rally and Cole are hard to ignore. When they are on in the show ring they demand that the judges give them fair consideration. And I am sure Pat can chime in on just how charming my black and whites are.

Who me, Chime in about Black and Whites!!!!!… LOL.. this is of course a standing joke between Lisa and I.... She has quite delightful Black and Whites... that I really like and proud to be a co-breeder on Rally's last litter

[Basenji_Boy]

I never really cared much about the B/W's really. I love all my B's, but there is something special about the B/W's for me now that I've been around some.

[nomrbddgs]

@Basenji_Boy:

I never really cared much about the B/W's really. I love all my B's, but there is something special about the B/W's for me now that I've been around some.

Oh! oh! My heart is broken! They're the first ones I noticed. I absolutely loved them from the get go. They just look, I don't know, flashy?

[tanza]

@nomrbddgs:

Yes the DNA testing is looooong overdue. Unfortunately to get it right takes time. I've heard that they thought they had one some years ago but it wasn't very accurate. If this does come to fruation, we may be able to stop some of the BYB.

They have never been close to a DNA test in the past…. Fanconi is a complicated problem.... and BCOA has spent lots of money (from donations of Basenjis owners along with collection samples of Fanconi families and non Fanconi families) to support the cause to find a DNA Test...

However, I do not see this as stopping BYB's because the problem is that people contact them to buy puppies and those people do not tell people about Basenji health concerns.... so how would/will they know... and what is going to make BYB's test? Nothing... now for BCOA members, it will be done because it is the right thing to do and expected or by reason of peer pressure breeders will test... so as far as BYB and PM's, the word is public education on finding a responsible breeder and not the ones that mostly advertise on puppyfind.com.... and such places... while there are some responsible breeders on those sites.. they will be the ones that say "DNA tested"... but lets face it, to john Q public... will they understand what that means?

[nomrbddgs]

You're right Pat-public education is the key.

I had thought it was Fanconi that they said they had a test for - might have been something else. But hopefully, the public will become aware of this. But you know how it is-I see, I want, at any cost. We will have responsible breeders and some not so responsible for ever.

[Basenji_Boy]

@nomrbddgs:

Oh! oh! My heart is broken! They're the first ones I noticed. I absolutely loved them from the get go. They just look, I don't know, flashy?

At first all I cared about was the African aspect of the breed and the imports.

After I started to go to some shows and talk to some people I've learned to love them all, Af's, domestics, B/W, R/W, brindle's and now I want a Tri!!!

Willy is half B/W Af so he's sort of everything I like in a B.:D

[JazzysMom]

Am I in the minority?

I LOVE the R/W's, I think because they don't look like any other dog, and because the wrinkles are so much more evident. I love, love, love the wrinkles.

The tri's remind me too much of dobermans, and the B/W's while stunning, hide the wrinkles too much. {And I think black has never been my fav. color for a dog anyway}. I do like the brindles. They have a kind of wild look and the wrinkles often show up well on them also.

[nomrbddgs]

Here are a few more pics of Sugar coming and going!

[tanza]

Honestly, Arlene…. I would be hard pressed to see any difference "width" wise... front to back....

[tanza]

@JazzysMom:

Am I in the minority?

I LOVE the R/W's, I think because they don't look like any other dog, and because the wrinkles are so much more evident. I love, love, love the wrinkles.

The tri's remind me too much of dobermans, and the B/W's while stunning, hide the wrinkles too much. {And I think black has never been my fav. color for a dog anyway}. I do like the brindles. They have a kind of wild look and the wrinkles often show up well on them also.

My first two are reds…. my first litter was 3 Tris, 3 Reds, I kept the red.... so I love reds too... but my heart goes to tris... and yes you are correct the wrinkles are so much easier to see on a red...

[JazzysMom]

I should say that I also LOVE dobermans, – the first dog my husband ever got me was a little dobie girl, and I adored her! I would still have dobies now if he wasn't tired of larger dogs.

But, if I'm going to have a Basenji, I don't want it to look like anything else {in my mind}, and I really want to see those wrinkles!

[nomrbddgs]

If you look from the top you can see, I don't think it's bad. I must learn to trust my judgement a bit more!!

[tanza]

Yes, Arlene, you do need at some point to take a stand and trust what you see and what you like… Breeding comes down to that in the end.... And with a bitch that is only 1 1/2 yrs looking down from the top is not a very good judge... IMO... reason?... They are not mature yet... and they shouldn't be.... their ribs have not even "sprung" at this age.. again IMO.... I would be hard pushed to say a dog is "wider" in the front then the rear at this age by just looking down on them.... again IMO....
Here is a link to 3 pictures of Kobey, 6wks, 3 months and 5 1/2 months... everything I saw on this pup at 6 wks that I liked (and that is a bit early then the 8 wks usually used for evaluating pups) I still see... but there are differences while growing... Now granted this pup is one of the few that has yet to really fall apart with a growing spurt... And also the faults that I saw at 6wks are still there too.....
www.tanzabasenjis.net/kobeygrowing.html