Breeders-Why and What?

[dash]

I am surprised someone would say that about the B/W's I think they are stunning!!! This is why I couldn't show. I would be so sad if someone said Dash is less than perfect. Even though I shouldn't care what others think, it would still hurt.

Nomrbddogs–I am clueless about the show ring but since she got her championship, someone must think she is breed-worthy. for what it's worth, I think she is beautiful!:)

[nomrbddgs]

Thanks to all of you for the comments-she is Tri-ing (ha ha ha). I personally like b/w and tri's. Yes, the red's seem to win more-especially when the judge doesn't know the breed. And whether I breed or not-I don't know there are a lot of considerations.

[Quercus]

@nomrbddgs:

Thanks to all of you for the comments-she is Tri-ing (ha ha ha). I personally like b/w and tri's. Yes, the red's seem to win more-especially when the judge doesn't know the breed. And whether I breed or not-I don't know there are a lot of considerations.

There are lots of considerations…in fact, lots of doesn't even begin to cover it. Coming from someone who has 5 bitches, and hasn't bred one yet

I don't think anybody here is advocating that you must breed....we just don't want to see you discouraged for the wrong reasons

[nomrbddgs]

When travelling through the different regions of the countries you see quite a different variety of Basenji's. In Canada I tend to find big B's out west, short legged B's around here. Out east I'm not sure. I know somewhere in the US there is a more pointy looking Basenji. Can someone tell me more about what's out there??

[tanza]

@nomrbddgs:

When travelling through the different regions of the countries you see quite a different variety of Basenji's. In Canada I tend to find big B's out west, short legged B's around here. Out east I'm not sure. I know somewhere in the US there is a more pointy looking Basenji. Can someone tell me more about what's out there??

What is out where? California.. it is a total mix… (:rolleyes: ) Because there are many breeders with different lines we tend to get a mix of types... and it changes over the years.... and that includes colors... for many, many years it was "red or dead"... (show ring joke)... but now there are way more Tris...Blacks and Brindles... many shows we have had complete line ups of all Tris....

[nomrbddgs]

What's up structure wise are they larger? smaller? How are their heads? Health? Etc.

[lvoss]

When I first said I was going to get a black and white, there were people who told said, "Why would you want a black and white?" or "You know it will be hard to finish a black and white". Then Rally was here and I didn't hear those things much anymore. And as for blacks being harder to finish, not in my experience. I finished Rally 1 week after her second birthday owner handled to every point in California. My mom handled Cole to his championship finishing 3 weeks after his second birthday. Nicky and Rio, my reds have been much more difficult. But Rally and Cole are hard to ignore. When they are on in the show ring they demand that the judges give them fair consideration. And I am sure Pat can chime in on just how charming my black and whites are.

I am a little late in responding since I was showing yesterday and off to another show today. Rio did beat her black and white sister Sophie yesterday but I didn't feel it was a color thing more of a silly puppy thought gaiting meant jumping, twirling, galloping, leaping, etc sort of thing.

[lvoss]

@nomrbddgs:

What's up structure wise are they larger? smaller? How are their heads? Health? Etc.

I think it is as Pat says a little bit of everything. When my mom started showing Cole 2 years ago she felt alot of what was in Southern California was on the smaller side but she said in the last couple of years there seems to be some bigger puppies. She liked showing up in Northern California because there was a little more diversity so no one really looked like the odd man out which was good since when she got Levi from a Southern California breeder he was that smaller type dog so she felt like both boys had an equal chance up here. Heads are the kind of the same, each breeder seems to have a little different head. Health really depends. There are some really working to improve the health of their lines and others well, I just couldn't believe they would say those things out loud.

[tanza]

@nomrbddgs:

What's up structure wise are they larger? smaller? How are their heads? Health? Etc.

Like I said, there are all types on the West coast, from larger to the small, there is no standard type. … We have a number of breeders who have different lines, some cross bred... but there is no one type..... and it changes from year to year...

As far as health? don't know how you qualify that other than to talk to the different breeders if you have questions on their lines and health... that said, you can check out OFA for testing results... and if we have a DNA test for Fanconi by breeding season, that will be a REAL BIG ONE!!!!!!

[nomrbddgs]

Yes the DNA testing is looooong overdue. Unfortunately to get it right takes time. I've heard that they thought they had one some years ago but it wasn't very accurate. If this does come to fruation, we may be able to stop some of the BYB.

[tanza]

@lvoss:

When I first said I was going to get a black and white, there were people who told said, "Why would you want a black and white?" or "You know it will be hard to finish a black and white". Then Rally was here and I didn't hear those things much anymore. And as for blacks being harder to finish, not in my experience. I finished Rally 1 week after her second birthday owner handled to every point in California. My mom handled Cole to his championship finishing 3 weeks after his second birthday. Nicky and Rio, my reds have been much more difficult. But Rally and Cole are hard to ignore. When they are on in the show ring they demand that the judges give them fair consideration. And I am sure Pat can chime in on just how charming my black and whites are.

Who me, Chime in about Black and Whites!!!!!… LOL.. this is of course a standing joke between Lisa and I.... She has quite delightful Black and Whites... that I really like and proud to be a co-breeder on Rally's last litter

[Basenji_Boy]

I never really cared much about the B/W's really. I love all my B's, but there is something special about the B/W's for me now that I've been around some.

[nomrbddgs]

@Basenji_Boy:

I never really cared much about the B/W's really. I love all my B's, but there is something special about the B/W's for me now that I've been around some.

Oh! oh! My heart is broken! They're the first ones I noticed. I absolutely loved them from the get go. They just look, I don't know, flashy?

[tanza]

@nomrbddgs:

Yes the DNA testing is looooong overdue. Unfortunately to get it right takes time. I've heard that they thought they had one some years ago but it wasn't very accurate. If this does come to fruation, we may be able to stop some of the BYB.

They have never been close to a DNA test in the past…. Fanconi is a complicated problem.... and BCOA has spent lots of money (from donations of Basenjis owners along with collection samples of Fanconi families and non Fanconi families) to support the cause to find a DNA Test...

However, I do not see this as stopping BYB's because the problem is that people contact them to buy puppies and those people do not tell people about Basenji health concerns.... so how would/will they know... and what is going to make BYB's test? Nothing... now for BCOA members, it will be done because it is the right thing to do and expected or by reason of peer pressure breeders will test... so as far as BYB and PM's, the word is public education on finding a responsible breeder and not the ones that mostly advertise on puppyfind.com.... and such places... while there are some responsible breeders on those sites.. they will be the ones that say "DNA tested"... but lets face it, to john Q public... will they understand what that means?

[nomrbddgs]

You're right Pat-public education is the key.

I had thought it was Fanconi that they said they had a test for - might have been something else. But hopefully, the public will become aware of this. But you know how it is-I see, I want, at any cost. We will have responsible breeders and some not so responsible for ever.

[Basenji_Boy]

@nomrbddgs:

Oh! oh! My heart is broken! They're the first ones I noticed. I absolutely loved them from the get go. They just look, I don't know, flashy?

At first all I cared about was the African aspect of the breed and the imports.

After I started to go to some shows and talk to some people I've learned to love them all, Af's, domestics, B/W, R/W, brindle's and now I want a Tri!!!

Willy is half B/W Af so he's sort of everything I like in a B.:D

[JazzysMom]

Am I in the minority?

I LOVE the R/W's, I think because they don't look like any other dog, and because the wrinkles are so much more evident. I love, love, love the wrinkles.

The tri's remind me too much of dobermans, and the B/W's while stunning, hide the wrinkles too much. {And I think black has never been my fav. color for a dog anyway}. I do like the brindles. They have a kind of wild look and the wrinkles often show up well on them also.

[nomrbddgs]

Here are a few more pics of Sugar coming and going!

[tanza]

Honestly, Arlene…. I would be hard pressed to see any difference "width" wise... front to back....

[tanza]

@JazzysMom:

Am I in the minority?

I LOVE the R/W's, I think because they don't look like any other dog, and because the wrinkles are so much more evident. I love, love, love the wrinkles.

The tri's remind me too much of dobermans, and the B/W's while stunning, hide the wrinkles too much. {And I think black has never been my fav. color for a dog anyway}. I do like the brindles. They have a kind of wild look and the wrinkles often show up well on them also.

My first two are reds…. my first litter was 3 Tris, 3 Reds, I kept the red.... so I love reds too... but my heart goes to tris... and yes you are correct the wrinkles are so much easier to see on a red...