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[MacPack]

Welcome, to Forum, and good for you for adopting your "grand-dog".

[DebraDownSouth]

While I never understand people getting rid of pets when they have babies (except the RARE cases where a family has a special needs child or other very extenuating circumstances, not just because they can't manage both), your situation illustrates why many people don't want to place dogs with ANYONE who intends it as a gift nor to young people who are not done having children. Your daughter is fortunate to have a mother who stepped up for her and I am very happy you have taken back the gift and done right by her. And you have the added bonus of showing your grandchildren what a responsible person you are.

[AZdoingX2]

Been wanting to breed my dog but been looking for a Stud preferably another Tri-color Basenji.

[dcmclcm4]

Why are you wanting to breed your girl? Have you spoken to the breeder of your dog? Who is the breeder? Has all the health testing been done on her? If you think you are going to make money on puppies, you can forget it! There are six puppies being sold today at an auction in MO that the breeder was unable to sell-I guess the broker did not want or need them to sell at the pet stores-probably already a lot of Basenji pups this year.

Jennifer

[tanza]

I have bred a number of litters, never have ever made a profit. If I break even, I am happy as the only reason to breed is to improve the breed, not to sell puppies. Breeders bred to improve the breed and then show what they have produced… but since most all of us can if we are lucky keep one, the most important thing after that is the home they are placed in. Think twice about breeding and there are many stories on this Forum about the cost of breeding a litter and doing it right.. and everything that can go wrong.

While my litter from 2012 was a pretty easy litter, the cost was such that I didn't make a cent... and I didn't expect to... and the cost is not including all my time spent... and the vacation time I took off from work to be with them when it was most important...

[eeeefarm]

@AZdoingX2:

She is 7-8 years of age.

And you are considering breeding her? Apart from other considerations, a bit old for a first breeding, don't you think?

[giza1]

@AZdoingX2:

Been wanting to breed my dog but been looking for a Stud preferably another Tri-color Basenji.

WHY do you want to breed your dog?

[AZdoingX2]

Would want another good looking dog like mine, and I have more than three friends that want one and would pay for one, because of her looks and breed. We have her papers and know the breeder that we originally got the dog from. Wanted to see if any other owners wanted to breed. Looking for a good tri-color at least.

[dcmclcm4]

Has she been DNA tested for Fanconi? How about other genetic testing like CERF eye exam, complete thyroid test, hip x-ray and a vet check for luxating patellas?

Jennifer

[tanza]

@AZdoingX2:

Would want another good looking dog like mine, and I have more than three friends that want one and would pay for one, because of her looks and breed. We have her papers and know the breeder that we originally got the dog from. Wanted to see if any other owners wanted to breed. Looking for a good tri-color at least.

Having papers (AKC registrations) is great… however it doesn't mean a dog should be bred. And there are lots and lots of finished champions (show dogs) that have never been bred and rightly so. As a breeder you need to ask yourself, what exactly does my dog/bitch have to offer the breed? Breeders bred to improve the breed, not just to have puppies.

As noted by another poster, have you completed all health testing?

[eeeefarm]

O.K. so I want to ask this question one more time, as nobody has answered it. How old would you breed a first time bitch? (for that matter, at what point do you consider a bitch too old to breed?) This girls is 7-8 years of age. (Which? If she has papers, it shouldn't be too hard to tell) and if she doesn't cycle until the fall, will be older. So, all other considerations aside, would it be wise to breed her?

[tanza]

@eeeefarm:

O.K. so I want to ask this question one more time, as nobody has answered it. How old would you breed a first time bitch? (for that matter, at what point do you consider a bitch too old to breed?) This girls is 7-8 years of age. (Which? If she has papers, it shouldn't be too hard to tell) and if she doesn't cycle until the fall, will be older. So, all other considerations aside, would it be wise to breed her?

If she is deemed healthy with not only a regular health check, including blood work and a full breeding exam, I would consider it… but again, at that age, you are taking chances. I know people that have bred a maiden at that age, no problems, other I have know have had lots of issues including needing a c-section. And of course to take this chance, I would think she would have to be a world beater and with genes we would lose in the breed (meaning there are no sibs or other offspring that could provide)

[agilebasenji]

@tanza:

If she is deemed healthy with not only a regular health check, including blood work and a full breeding exam, I would consider it… but again, at that age, you are taking chances. I know people that have bred a maiden at that age, no problems, other I have know have had lots of issues including needing a c-section. And of course to take this chance, I would think she would have to be a world beater and with genes we would lose in the breed (meaning there are no sibs or other offspring that could provide)

Okay, I get that, but would you suggest a novice dog breeder try that endeavour?

Honestly one of the reasons I decided to spay Zest! (who had her CH, plus performance titles, plus satisfactory health testing, plus a small list of experienced basenji people wanting one of her pups) was the chance of something going wrong and loosing her (that and i decided my main focus would be performance work).

Plus, do you really think the people wanting one of your pups would be willing to go through what the new owner on this thread is dealing with?
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?14524-My-new-brindle-bundle-of-
trying times for even an experienced basenji person.

[tanza]

No, I would never suggest that a "novice" try that… Believe me.... I worried the whole time when C-Me was carrying...

[AZdoingX2]

she has all her shots and registered tags healthy Basenji

[tanza]

@AZdoingX2:

she has all her shots and registered tags healthy Basenji

Not sure what that means? Shots doesn't mean that she is "breeding" healthy? And what about other health testing? OFA for hips, OFA for Fanconi, CERF for eyes, OFA for Thyroid, Patellas? Etc…..

[QuizBasenji]

I don't know how it is in the USA, but here in the UK, pregnancy is not covered by normal health insurance. So, should something go wrong, you could be faced with a massive bill…

[tanza]

@QuizBasenji:

I don't know how it is in the USA, but here in the UK, pregnancy is not covered by normal health insurance. So, should something go wrong, you could be faced with a massive bill…

And death of the bitch….. breeding is not to be taken lightly

[eeeefarm]

I don't think the OP is on the same page. She just has a girl dog that she likes and thinks it would be neat to have some pups. She is obviously not aware of health concerns in the breed. Sorry to sound condescending, but I think the only unusual thing about this is that she has come on a forum and asked, instead of just finding some male and getting on with it…...possibly because it isn't so easy to do with Basenjis. You can't count on finding a willing dog owner in the breed to provide a stud.

I know of quite a few people with purebred pets who at some point or other get the idea they would like to have pups from them. Yeah, backyard breeder, and many say it with contempt. They don't do research, skip the important health tests, and just go ahead and breed. However, sometimes it works out well, the resulting offspring get good homes, and everyone involved is happy with the outcome. Everyone knows the other possible outcomes, with unwanted puppies or heartbroken owners who picked up a cheap pup with health issues.....

[QuizBasenji]

That's why I pointed out a practical problem the OP might not have thought of…heck, my boy came from an 'accidental breeding', so I can hardly cast the first stone