Would love your guys opinion again

[renaultf1]

Ha, ha - 2 cents, you know. That brings up another good point. As a new handler, in my case, no matter how good my puppy might look, because I don't really know what I'm doing, I definitely don't do her justice with my handling, nor do I bring out her best or hide her worst. Handling skill makes a huge difference and that is a learning process you can work on with Jazz.

[Maya]

I think you should stick to Jazz too. I personally think Jazz appeals more than this one. I do not like this ones front at all, she toes in very obviously with both front feet and that will throw off her movement.

I think you should just have some fun showing Jazz and then maybe look in a year or so for a nice quality pup. I would also be cautious of why the current owner is selling her…

[Quercus]

@Maya:

I think you should stick to Jazz too. I personally think Jazz appeals more than this one. I do not like this ones front at all, she toes in very obviously with both front feet and that will throw off her movement.

I think you should just have some fun showing Jazz and then maybe look in a year or so for a nice quality pup. I would also be cautious of why the current owner is selling her…

Ditto….and I don't care for the shape and color of her eyes. Not to mention, bringing and adult bitch into your house, with a yearling bitch might be a blood bath....

[etzbseder]

I'm actually not put off by the color of the eyes. They change so much with different camera's, angles, and lighting, compared to what they'd look like in person. I've also noticed that several of the dogs I've seen that are higher percent recent import have fairly light eyes, compared to the rest.

[Quercus]

@etzbseder:

I'm actually not put off by the color of the eyes. They change so much with different camera's, angles, and lighting, compared to what they'd look like in person. I've also noticed that several of the dogs I've seen that are higher percent recent import have fairly light eyes, compared to the rest.

True, but we are talking about a show dog, for a first time exhibitor…light eyes will definitely hurt a dog in the ring.

[etzbseder]

See that confuses me. Why should a trait that shows up in the native stock hurt a dog in the ring where we're supposed to award the dogs that best fit the standard for what they should be. Shouldn't they be close to the natural selection dogs (native stock)?

[tanza]

My opinion is much, much different then yours….
In looking at this bitch, she will be 2 in December, so what you see is mostly what you get. I disagree with your comment about lay back of shoulder, I think she is very straight, she is long in the back (compared to what the standard says, square) tail set is pretty good, but she is light in body structure all over. She does have nice feet, however she is what I would call chicken chested and she is pigeon toed (toes point towards each other).. and IMO that will not change. I think her neck is a bit short and I don't like the way it joins into the shoulders. I agree with Andrea about the light eyes. And I think that your Jazz's rear is pretty much the same as this bitch with the exception that IMO, Jazz's tail set is too low, this bitch is a bit better.

As it has already been said, there is no perfect dog... that is why we breed and why we have "chocolate and vanilla"... there are different things that some like or do not like. I have a thing for heads... and can't stand long ears... even the standard says small, erect, hooded ears and they are supposed to be set high on the head, not lopped off to the side... Here IMO is one of the nicest examples of head type for a bitch... and yes, she is mine.
Picture was taken at about 1yr old so she had not developed any cushion on the cheek/jaws yet.

http://www.tanzabasenjis.net/files/FATIA_HEAD_SHOT__Cropped_.jpg

One other thing, there is no such thing with Fanconi as Clear by parents, since this is a linkage test. I would still if you are considering this bitch make sure she is tested first.

[tanza]

@etzbseder:

See that confuses me. Why should a trait that shows up in the native stock hurt a dog in the ring where we're supposed to award the dogs that best fit the standard for what they should be. Shouldn't they be close to the natural selection dogs (native stock)?

I don't agree that the native stock all have light eyes, some do.. most have pretty decent eye color. The new group that was just admitted all have a pretty decent eye color and wonderful shape. What I find we are losing is the almond shape… the eyes are too round.

[lvoss]

I read the whole thread and thought rather than add to the already pretty detailed comments about the girl in question, I would instead ask, why are looking for another show dog when you haven't yet given it a try with Jazz?

I really think that getting out there and showing Jazz will give you a much better perspective of what you want in your next show dog. You are going to face challenges no matter who your starting dog is. There is no perfect dog and when you are learning I think having a dog that you have a good bond with and is willing to work with you is probably one of the most important traits. You need a dog that is going to forgive you when you say one thing and then immediately change your mind as you realize you are in the wrong place.

As you start attending shows, you will learn how to present your dog but you will also get to see other dogs and talk with other exhibitors. This will help you to decide what traits you really want in your next show dog. You will also probably start to find lines that you like and that will give you a starting point for looking for your next show dog.

[dmcarty]

Regardless of how she looks - the fact is that having 2 bitches together is frequently a disaster - it will work until it doesn't.

In a young puppy standing toeing out is not so bad because as they develop they will have more spring of rib and the feet will correct to front. Toeing in this badly at 2 will only get worse - judges that are hard core sighthound judges will put her to the end of the line with that much toeing in. (Pat Craig Trotter comes to mind)

I like the neck shape better on this one - but again from the picture we are looking at just parts - how the dog uses what they have is the main thing and we can't tell that from a picture.

Take your bitch out - learn what it's all about so that when you develope an eye not for what is available but for some lines that you like - you can find a nice male to join your house.