Shock collar training

[Rita Jean]

Go to "sitmeanssit" we hired the trainer for our B and this is not your shock collar as in the word shock it does like a thump thump but you can turn it up. It works great and out B is as happy if not happier today. It has 1/2 mile range even from inside house. I beleive its around $210.00 but it works. The thing about it is you keep it low unless they do not listen then you turn it up a little and if need be a little more until you get there attention and then turn back down. If you get it I would be happy to talk to you about it more as the B does not get hurt. We worked oh heel last Sunday and after Jaycee understood what we wanted she got on with heel and looked like she had done it for ever. Better than shock collar we have one that was for our Akita and we used it once (1) time and that was it for that thing. Let me know and good luck.

Rita Jean

[Thylacine]

Does this work? My 7 month hold has developed a serious play nip. I would love to train him out of it. Nothing we have tried really works.

[Rita Jean]

We are very happy with "sit means sit". Jaycee is done with her classes. We hardly ever have to use it she knows what we are saying and does it. I was scared at first when trainer left Jaycee on leash but put it on the ground. When Jaycee was told this way she knew and Heel was even better. You can go to there site and just get the collar but please you have to use it correctly. A 10 on Jaycee would work and holding the collar in the palm of my hand in the soft skin I could not feel anything, Sometimes she gets really out of control and we have to turn it up a little higher just to get her attn then back down and we are off and going again.
We can play in the front yard as Jaycee has learned where she can and cannot go this is great still make her have her leash just for extra and after all she is still a puppy. Good luck and let me know what you do.

Rita Jean

[Quercus]

@Thylacine:

Does this work? My 7 month hold has developed a serious play nip. I would love to train him out of it. Nothing we have tried really works.

If you noticed, the original poster said 'if you don't like shock collars, don't comment'….and only one person has spoken up in support of using shock collars on Basenjis...soooo.....

Seven month old puppies WILL grow out of a play nip.

[sharronhurlbut]

Please rethink this method of "so called" training.
We can help you with other ways.

[lvoss]

Anyone considering the use of shock collar should read this article by the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behaviorists.

http://www.avsabonline.org/avsabonline/images/stories/Position_Statements/punishment%20guidelines-aversives%20effects-definitions.pdf

[Rita Jean]

If some people would learn the difference in a shock collar and ours but most of all COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Jaycee plays everyday and night and is with out this collar this is so she is safe and can run in the dog park and be free and have fun with out getting KILLED or HURT or RAN OVER BY A CAR.

Rita Jean

[tanza]

I have held off too, posting…. I am totally against any type of shock collar.. and add to that underground fencing... Take the time to teach and work with your pup... don't take the easy way.... and that is sooo right.. a 7 month old will mouth.. that is how dogs play and talk.... work to change the behavior....

[Rita Jean]

I said on here once any of you want to meet us 1/2 way at loose dog park with your 6 month old and you turn your puppy loose and we will. Jaycee will run and have a great time. Jaycee does bite us playing and we let her. Jaycee sometime wraps dog leash around our legs and we let her. Jaycee plays and runs and hunts and we let her. But when the day is done Jaycee is safe and has had fun. We have not hurt her and I bet we get as much love from Jaycee if not more then any of you.

Rita Jean

[Quercus]

@Rita:

If some people would learn the difference in a shock collar and ours but most of all COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Jaycee plays everyday and night and is with out this collar this is so she is safe and can run in the dog park and be free and have fun with out getting KILLED or HURT or RAN OVER BY A CAR.

Rita Jean

I don't understand your post. I am quite familiar with electronic collars. They are commonly called shock collars because they use an electronic pulse, or mild shock, to correct the dog or get the dog's attention. What is common knowledge?

[Quercus]

@Rita:

I said on here once any of you want to meet us 1/2 way at loose dog park with your 6 month old and you turn your puppy loose and we will. Jaycee will run and have a great time. Jaycee does bite us playing and we let her. Jaycee sometime wraps dog leash around our legs and we let her. Jaycee plays and runs and hunts and we let her. But when the day is done Jaycee is safe and has had fun. We have not hurt her and I bet we get as much love from Jaycee if not more then any of you.

Rita Jean

There is no reason for you to get defensive. You like your e-collar…great...lots of us have had bad experiences, and/or have done extensive research regarding the effectiveness and fall out of their use. Just a different opinion/experience. Believe me, our dogs are loved, well behaved, get to run, etc...there is no reason for you to think that your dog loves you more than ours do...that is ridiculous and offensive.

[tanza]

@Quercus:

There is no reason for you to get defensive. You like your e-collar…great...lots of us have had bad experiences, and/or have done extensive research regarding the effectiveness and fall out of their use. Just a different opinion/experience. Believe me, our dogs are loved, well behaved, get to run, etc...there is no reason for you to think that your dog loves you more than ours do...that is ridiculous and offensive.

Quercus… you are spot on....

[Rita Jean]

How many B's are in resuce today because people could not take the way they acted? How many are there because people gave up just did not keep trying?
If this helps just one person and they keep there B because things got better there is one less little baby with no home. Your right about one thing this collar is not for everyone you have to know what you are doing. If person uses it everyday for just a power thing then its wrong. However you give the air of _am a BAD person because I have used the collar. Any one of you that think this are so far off base it is unreal. I have said this once before my daughter and I almost both died at her birth. I can tell you now I think different then a lot of you and pain and hurt are one of those things. So do not point at me.

Rita Jean_

[lvoss]

I am sorry but veterinary behaviorists will disagree that shock collars are an effective method of working with problem dogs. Here is another article about the effect of Shock Collars on Dogs, http://www.joelwalton.com/shockcollars.html

[Quercus]

@Rita:

How many B's are in resuce today because people could not take the way they acted? How many are there because people gave up just did not keep trying?
If this helps just one person and they keep there B because things got better there is one less little baby with no home. Your right about one thing this collar is not for everyone you have to know what you are doing. If person uses it everyday for just a power thing then its wrong. However you give the air of _am a BAD person because I have used the collar. Any one of you that think this are so far off base it is unreal. I have said this once before my daughter and I almost both died at her birth. I can tell you now I think different then a lot of you and pain and hurt are one of those things. So do not point at me.

Rita Jean

I doubt anyone thinks you are a bad person. No one is pointing at you?!? You are putting all of that emotion out there yourself.

If you feel like you have to offer an option for people to train their dogs, that is fine…I feel like I have to offer a warning to people that using an e-collar on certain types of dogs, or using it incorrectly can make them fearful and aggressive. This is not a personal attack._

[Rita Jean]

No one said problem dogs just everyday B that we all know can be to much for some people. Unless you think B's are problem dogs.

Rita Jean

[lvoss]

@Rita:

How many B's are in resuce today because people could not take the way they acted? How many are there because people gave up just did not keep trying?

To me this is a description of a problem dog. A dog that is exhibiting behavior that the owner does not want and does not know how to manage. That same dog in a knowledgable foster home could be a dream dog but at the moment where the owners are feeling in over their head, yes, it is a problem dog.

[Rita Jean]

Owners are in over there head beacuse they were not ready for Basenji. We all know they are not sit on the chair and watch tv dogs. However to me I do not see this as a problem dog there behavior maybe normal just not to the owner.
Anyway as much fun as this has been ha! ha! I am off to bed granny gets up really early. I shall look on here in the morning to see what ever anyone else has to say.

Rita Jean

[tanza]

IMO… people should just say NO to shock collars... if they are not ready for a Basenji or any other breed... they need to learn first... before getting the dog.. and if they have the dog first.. they need to learn "reward" based training before just going to the easy way with a shock collar.. which could easily lead to a really nasty reaction from the dog.. regardless of breed.. and I totally disagree that they are not "sit on the chair, watch TV dogs...".. they can be.. without a doubt

[Quercus]

@tanza:

IMO… people should just say NO to shock collars... if they are not ready for a Basenji or any other breed... they need to learn first... before getting the dog.. and if they have the dog first.. they need to learn "reward" based training before just going to the easy way with a shock collar.. which could easily lead to a really nasty reaction from the dog.. regardless of breed.. and I totally disagree that they are not "sit on the chair, watch TV dogs...".. they can be.. without a doubt

Good point, Pat…mine are totally sit on the couch and watch TV dogs...add in: under a blanket, in your lap.

One thing that I always tell people about positive reinforcement training, vs. correction, or punishment based training, is that you won't do any harm with positive training...you might with punishment training.