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[Duke]

I'm not a breeder - I own 2 mixed B's. After reading this, I feel compelled to respond with my own observation. I see that you are doing your best for the task at hand - good for you. I hope you are here to learn more about your dogs and the challenge upon you. Every day should be a good day to learn something.

@lanemichelleandolimar:

what attitude do i have? everyone is attacking us.

and if we're so irresponisble, why are we caring for them, researching, taking them to the vet, and everything. explain that. another thing i wanna confirm is that our vet told us that we'd have to wait till olimar was six months to get him neutered.

• Your vet doesn't want to spay before the age of 6 month - My girl Daisy a B-mix was spayed at 8 weeks. Her mother was a rescued and pregnant Basenji. The rescue group would not release any of her pups until they were spayed or neutered to be responsibly sure there wouldn't be any chance of more unwanted dogs in a shelter.

he's not of age yet, so how are we irresponsible for not getting him neutered yet? but since we found out how much we love basenji's we wanted to get a female and have a liter. due to the fact that our family members want them and we want some more. after that we were planning to get him neutured. the comment about not neutering him was out of anger and i'm sure that if you were also attacked in the way we were you'd say things like that too.

but i bet now you guys are gonna get on my case about how we shouldn't even make a liter. so i'm ready, start the bashing.

• This is the "attitude".

ps. the female is a jack russell terrier. i'll take a look at their illnesses right after this, thank you.

by the way we know we aren't as "knowledgable" as all you guys are. so isn't this what these forums are for? isn't is so that newbies like us can get some positive insight into what we are so interested in from people who do know?

• Yes - everyone was a newbie at one point - but you're not absorbing what is important by being so defensive. This place is a wonderful resource - if you realize the fact that seasoned breeders and dog handlers are here trying to help you - not attack you.

thats exactly why we are on this forum everyday trying to do more and more research about the puppy we love. you all were newbies at one point too. so imagine hearing that your an irresponsible owner

• No where on here did anyone call you an irresponsible owner. This is the place to learn how to be a responsible owner - for the love and help for your dear furkids.

when you're trying to ask people to help you in a postive way. i'm sure that would get you upset as well. we know we're gonna make mistakes as first time owners, but it'd be nice to hear the Pro's telling us what we're doing wrong in a postive and helpful way.

• I've read over and over where the Pro's were doing just that - informing you at best - Being defensive at every turn isn't helping you.

oh and another thing… send me the forum link for that irresponsible backyard breeders, sounds like just the place for me. maybe i can find a forum for you that would be best for you, but i'll keep those words to myself. i'll be "responsible" enough to not display it on this forum.

thankyou so much for your help

[tanza]

While anyone can have an "opps" litter/breeding.. even the most experienced breeders… and that is not the point... I think that the point is "how" excited you are... instead of "Oh Crap".... OK... now what do we do?"....

OK... so here is a question, how old is the Jack Russell bitch? (and while they are separated into two different breeds by name.... health concerns are pretty much the same for both)... and why was she not spayed?... And since you knew that you had an intact male and intact bitch... that makes it so much harder when the bitch is in season... well OK... you had an "opps"..... but what are you going to do now....

If you really want to be a responsible breeder of Basenjis.. has any of your boy's litter (and it would be nice to learn how to spell "litter") been shown or in performance events, done their CGC (Caine Good Citizens test)? Fully health tested? There are a few responsible breeders in Hawaii... have you talked to them? Do you want to?

Instead of being on the defensive, the other side of the coin is.... help me to learn what I need to do to be a responsible breeder... Be responsible and have these pups spayed/neutered before you place them.. so this doesn't happen to someone else with another dog....

[sharronhurlbut]

Thanks Pat, as always you put it so well.

[fountainhead]

they give dog's abortions?

[sharronhurlbut]

Yes, the vets can terminate a pg for a female when they fix her when she is pg.
I also think they have a pill they can give a female in the early stages to have her lose the pg…but not sure about the time frame or the effectiveness of it.

[tanza]

@sharronhurlbut:

Yes, the vets can terminate a pg for a female when they fix her when she is pg.
I also think they have a pill they can give a female in the early stages to have her lose the pg…but not sure about the time frame or the effectiveness of it.

The pills rarely work …. and honestly, most Vets are against spay/termination unless it is a health issue... but spay for sure immediately after. Remember that 99% of bitches will have a season after whelping within 3 to 4 months...

[khanis]

@tanza:

There are a few responsible breeders in Hawaii… have you talked to them? Do you want to?

Of course, I have to jump in here. Pkease all remember that I have had, and today have two bitches from John in Hawaii [one down from my own dogs over there].
Let's get real technical here…. and I am not yelling, I just want this point understood by everyone reading this thread:

THERE IS ONLY ONE 'ACTVE' RESPONSIBLE BASENJI BREEDER IN HAWAII. Period.

There are two 'inactive' breeders [each only had 2 litters in the past 15 years]. Rita moved up to Washington, so only John Gaidos is there now.

Unfortunately, there is a horrid puppy store that imports all breeds from Australia. Basenjis are sold there throughout the year.
There is one active BYB there, and he breeds regularly.
NONE of his stock is health-tested.

RESCUE IS A PROBLEM in Hawaii. Don't let the fact that it is remote or a small place fool you…. basenjis also end up in shelters there!

Now that your dog has sired a litter, you NEED to get this testing done.
Hips can be pre-Limmed. Elbows and Patellas can be done. Thyroid at a year old. Eyes can be done, you will hae ot go to the eye doc there, and it runs $50 for an exam.

If you feel that your dog is of good quality, start doing somethig with him... show him, take him to performance events.... agility, obedience, rally... get him involved with something that can prove his worthiness as a stud dog.

I wouldn't use a dog that did not have heath clearances nor any titles. The dog I am using this year is located in Ohio and I live in Oregon. He is a Dual Champion, as well as having several agility titles and working on his obedience too. This makes a good stud dog.... well titled and passing all health clearances!!

SORRY to be so blunt, but it was the only way that I felt I could get across what I wanted... and what I deem important in a dog and it's use as a stud.

[sharronhurlbut]

Thanks Kathy. I am afraid this person has stopped listening.
Its too bad.

[nomrbddgs]

I'm a little late on this one, but here's my two cents on not neutering a male. Males can also get prostititus. (I think that's spelled right) I had a mini Schnauzer that had it-three times before I finally had the chance to fix him. To the cost of over $1000 each time he got sick before he finally got healthy enough to neuter him. This is a real problem as well.

[khanis]

With this mind set, the dog NEEDS to be neutered.

Then tested!

[sharronhurlbut]

I don't think you will have anyone on this forum disagree with your last post Kathy.

[tanza]

And I hope that this person reads the post today from the couple in Texas…under the screen name of Porthos and their "opps" breeding