dreaming of a Basenji girl... (ILM)

[CrazySenji]

@eeeefarm said in dreaming of a Basenji girl... (ILM):

I'm not doubting that at all, but I just don't see what you obviously have seen in regards to the early Basenjis having poor temperaments. Interestingly I recently read an article about someone importing a village Basenji from South Sudan, and "soft temperament and willing to please" was one of the things mentioned. Genetics can certainly play a big part. The old "nature or nurture" argument. I had three foals from the same mare, different sires, and all raised the same by me. Three totally different individuals! My concern is that breeding for one trait may have unintended consequences on another, and breeders do tend to want the lines that are winning.

A dog with a bad temperament isn't going to do much winning. Snap at a judge? Bye bye! Best case the dog is excused for the day. They need to be comfortable with many different people touching them and as I vet tech I can firmly state that most people's pets are NOT comfortable being handled/touched the way a well trained and socialized show dog is. It's true that while working to enhance one trait you can add something undesirable to your lines but temperament should always ALWAYS be high on the list for any responsible breeder's program.

Also, I know a lot of breeders.. they don't always want or like what is currently winning. A lot of the top dogs (in any breed) are only top dogs because they have the $$$ to back them. Not that they're bad dogs and don't deserve to win, but the more a judge sees a dog the more they think it to be correct.

[eeeefarm]

@crazysenji said in dreaming of a Basenji girl... (ILM)

A dog with a bad temperament isn't going to do much winning. Snap at a judge? Bye bye! Best case the dog is excused for the day. They need to be comfortable with many different people touching them and as I vet tech I can firmly state that most people's pets are NOT comfortable being handled/touched the way a well trained and socialized show dog is.

Precisely! If the handler knows what he or she is doing, it will be a non issue. I have always handled my own dogs at the vet's, and even the ones that were not comfortable with strangers behaved themselves. My show girl behaved in the ring when the judge examined her for the same reason. Behaving is a function of training, not temperament.

I do think Basenjis often get a bad rap because they will stand on their dignity and resent familiarity from people they don't know.......it used to be termed "aloofness".....but usually don't resort to physical aggression, more likely a snark and walk away. My Mom took my first Basenji to a Humane Society tag day, and when she received unwanted attention she just turned her head away from the person. If that person was persistent, she yodelled! Got a lot of laughs that way.

[elbrant]

@eaglzwngs That's so sweet of you! Thank you! I did find a dog, or should I say...
I reached an agreement with a breeder this past Tuesday. I thought that I should delay my announcement until the "pup" was officially in my home... and do a more formal introducation then (with pictures, name, etc., at the end of the month). Nonetheless, I am very excited! If anything should go 'kafluey", I will definately reach out about Sweet Sophie. Thank you again!

[CrazySenji]

@elbrant said in dreaming of a Basenji girl... (ILM):

@eaglzwngs That's so sweet of you! Thank you! I did find a dog, or should I say...
I reached an agreement with a breeder this past Tuesday. I thought that I should delay my announcement until the "pup" was officially in my home... and do a more formal introducation then (with pictures, name, etc., at the end of the month). Nonetheless, I am very excited! If anything should go 'kafluey", I will definately reach out about Sweet Sophie. Thank you again!

Congratulations!

[elbrant]

@eeeefarm LOL "into the soup pot"! Missed this earlier... but you do make valid points.

[khanis]

@tanza <-- is completely correct! My mom got her first Basenji in 1965 and started showing and had her first litter in 1969 when I was just a year old. The Basenjis today are not the same. I have scras from Basenjis in my childhood, and we had pretty darned good-tempered Basenjis. But,t hey are nothing like today. Breeders began culling dogs with questionable temperaments.. even if their health was good. What does it matter if they are healthy if they can't be touched/handled extensively?!
Culling those dogs from breeding programs left only the best tempered dogs moving forward... which was of the utmost importance for the future of the breed.

[DebraDownSouth]

Hi and welcome back. Health issues are most of why my current basenji will be the last. My daughter has a Samoyed and wants another when Cara is gone. I can't blame her...incredible breed.

Contact Camp Basenji. Pam Hamilton doesn't have any puppies, but she does have some young adults. She does not list most of the dogs, btw. People get fixed on a dog that may be totally wrong for them, and then not be open to any other better fits. I was a BRAT foster/transporter/home and puppy evaluator at the time, lol, and I didn't get to pick my puppy.
http://www.campbasenji.org

[tanza]

@khanis - What Khanis said!... and before anyone dives off the deep end, "culling" mean remove as breeding stock... not as in "put to sleep".... Just saying... sometimes people mistake the work culling and what it means to a breeder

[tanza]

@debradownsouth - Note also, that people that go to a responsible breeder rarely get to pick their puppy either. The breeder will choose in 90% of the cases, as they get to know the people that are getting a puppy and choose the best fit, as we want this to be their forever homes.

[DebraDownSouth]

@marcorilli said in dreaming of a Basenji girl... (ILM):

@tanza every brindle basenji I’ve seen including the one I bought was cheaper then all the other colors. Mine was 500 along with all the others I saw online. I was also told by the training company we went to who have been training dogs for 50+ years that brindles are harder to train because their color comes from their dna. I didn’t know that I was told that by a professional.

You should probably find a more informed trainer and most definitely more responsible breeder next time. You have been misinformed.

[DebraDownSouth]

@tanza
First, I responded to the first post and missed the rest of this. So ignore rescue suggestion.

And absolutely responsible breeders decide who gets what puppy!

Yes, there have been some studies linking temperament in mammals to colors. But the issue was more related to the " popular stud" syndrome than a genetic tie between color and temperament.

Second thought is Shirley disagreeing about being handled in the show ring equaling good temperament. Having personally met a few Lhasa Apsos and talked to a few Westminster competitor breeders, there are some utterly nasty ones who like the ring and tolerate handling. Also, there was a Rottweiler champion who was so human aggressive out of the ring he was legendary.

But obviously breeders want a solid temperament. In today's world with the internet, bad temperaments will sink your reputation.

On culling, in farm animals it often meant kill. In Germany, the club dog wardens used to require large litters to be culled. They stopped a long time ago, but GSD and Rottie people still talk about it. But in dog breeding, it's generally remove from the breeding pool. Though a lot of Bulldog breeders euthanize pups with cleft palates. I guess I do not want to pretend culling never means killing.

[elbrant]

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