The formation of future stones is entirely possible and probable. Unfortunately. Johnny was only 3 and had 32 altogether. They were cystine stones and may have been a one off in his line. No other dog in that line that I know of, or anyone else knows of, had a problem with stones. Yes, with the other type of hole he would have been neutered, but he would have been able to pass stones more effectively. It really is up to you on how to proceed. They both have advantages and disadvantages. If they are cystine stones, you will have to watch his urine ph level and try to keep it in around 6.3 on average. 7 is border line high and 5.5 is border line low with the ph strips. You'll have to watch what food he gets, his water intake and type of water also. And xrays don't always show cystine stones, but it would be a good idea to get him xrayed every once in a while. I don't know if ultrasound would show them up any better. Just a few thoughts. I was devastated, and still am, about Johnny. I wish you all the best with Ayo.
Thanks a lot .. Will definetly look into it. I went to see him this morning and he was doing great. BUT Now I'm in the hospital with terrible pain from want seems to be a kidney stone!!!!!!!! What are the odds???? Maybe it's in our water!!!!!!!!!!!
well, i think i'd be drinking filtered or bottled water from now on. it is a bit strange that both of you are having stones. I don't know if kidney and bladder stones are related, but it seems like they might be.
I'm glad you've found the dogaware site helpful.
Sorry to take over the thread a bit, but apparently, with all breeds, this has been happening more and more lately. They seem to think there is a sort of connections between young dogs (2-3) years getting these stones. There is a study going on, I offered the stones and info about Johnny, but never heard back. I know they are not funded though so maybe they can only do so much. I'm thinking it's not just the water, but the food. Most of our food now we are concerned about high end, no grains, blah, blah, blah. But maybe there is something to be said for the cheaper food where the dogs lived and had no issues with stones. I know a couple of dalmations who had stones who were put on a cheap dog food and lived to be 14 or so. You kind of have to wonder if what we think is quality food is really worth it. There are lots of questions that are still unanswered when it comes to the stone formation.
Thanks a los for everyone a thoughts. I just came back from seeing him and he is doing much better today. Unfortunately I had to go to the emergency room last night again in terrible pain. We all drink bottled water in DR because tap water isn't potable. Most people give their dogs tap water but I give them the same that I drink. I still don't know what the stones are. As soon as I know I will let everyone know, and I guess I
L know how to deal with it. As for me I have to go to the urologist tomorrow morning , to get an ultrasound and see what's up….
Best to both of you. I know it's terribly painful for both of you. How is Ayo doing today? Have you passed yours?
Ayo is doing great. i cant get used to seeing the opening .. It makes me very sad. But I know its the best for him. I have not passed them. I am going tomorrow morning to have an ultrasound… And well see.. Hopefully i wont get the pain again tonight!!!! .
well, knowing Ayo is doing well has got to make you feel better, even if you feel like crap.
hopefully you'll soon be on the mend too
I've never heard of this and I'm sorry Ayo has Togo through it. A question forgot and the forum: because Ayo has a permanent opening what kind of risk is there for infection? I'd be super paranoid about that…poor pup- glad he is in good spirits though
the veteronarian explained that there is little risk of infection because there is still a good distance between the opining and the baldder, even more than in a female dog, which , like in humans, tend to g more infections due to larger opening. …..I have my doctors appointment at 2:30.... And Ayo maybe coming home tonight or tomorrow...
My vet recommends not just bottled water, but distilled water for dogs as it has no minerals in it. If his stones are calcium or other minerals, switch him to distilled bottled water.We live in a high-mineral area and caused a kidney stone in me many years ago. I hope you are both better soon.
Ayo is back home from the vet. He is doing ok, I guess, except he has some incontinence and I know he is hurting abit because he is not very active, as he usually is. Im sure it is normal since he is recovering. i will ask the doctor about the incontinence.
Glad he is home, hope all continues to be well and he can lead a normal, active and pain free life. Hope you're doing ok as well. Do let us know about those stones and what kind they are.
All the best from us
His testicles are still swollen. he is taking 50 mg Carprobay, and 250 mg Clavobay, daily. Tomorrow the vet will check again, and remove the stitches…
Poor baby. Bet he's not too comfortable. But somewhat better than the option I had. How are you feeling?
Ayo had his stitches removed today and we got theresults back from the stones analysis. they are 100% Cystine. So he has Cystinuria. According to everything i have read so far. The only effective thing to do is exactly what was done. It is a genetic condition where the kidneysbdont filter Cystine correvtly and they crystalize. it is almost certain that he will form then again and diet has little effect on their formation. Hopefully the opening he now jas will be enough to let future stones pass without problem. he is dping very well, a little under the effect of the medication but almost back to normal. As for me, i have had no more pain, i am not sure if the stone has dissolved or is still in my bladder where it was last seen :-). .. I hate feeling like I could be in pain again at any moment. I think I will call the doctor to get another x ray…
Thanks everyone for being concerned and all the info. Apparently diet alterations are not really effective in preventing them and can bring on otherroblems. . So the best option is the urethrostomy…
I supose the good news is that you are now aware of it and can prevent it? Sad that diet won't help. And eerie that we've had 2 basenjis on this little board with it. I'd never heard of it until now.
not that Wiki is the best reference for medical info, but i thought this interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cystinuria
"This disease is known to occur in at least three mammalian species: humans, domestic canines, and a wild canid, the Maned Wolf of South America. Cystine uroliths have been demonstrated, usually in male dogs, from approximately 70 breeds including the Australian cattle dog, Australian shepherd, Basenji, Basset, Bullmastiff, Chihuahua, Scottish deerhound, Scottish terrier, Staffordshire terrier, Welsh corgi, and both male and female Newfoundland dogs. "
sorry, don't mean to hijack your thread, but this on the akc website:
http://www.akcchf.org/canine-health/your-dogs-health/disease-information/cystinuria.html
