If anyone can find this info, its Jennifer. She is a wonder at this type of thing.
Health Result Records
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I am guessing you are going to breed? So that means you have already completed all health testing? Don't remember hearing that you have ever shown your bitch (s) or done performance events? So what do you think that she has to offer the breed in regards to improving the breed?
And regarding your statement about Two year Health Guarantee +lifetime Fanconi Guarantee…. first of all, PRA is late onset (usually between 5 & 10yrs) so a 2yr health guarantee is pretty useless. Hips and elbows can't be done until after 2yrs... and about Fanconi... well if you have the direct test done on the sire and dam with Clear results or even Carrier, there would not be any reason for a lifetime Fanconi Guarantee?
And are you going to require spay/neuter in your contract? And under what circumstances would you give full registration?
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make sure your puppy contract requires the dog to come back to you if the home does not work out, too many back yard breeder dogs already in rescue.
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I am guessing you are going to breed? So that means you have already completed all health testing? Don't remember hearing that you have ever shown your bitch (s) or done performance events? So what do you think that she has to offer the breed in regards to improving the breed?
And regarding your statement about Two year Health Guarantee +lifetime Fanconi Guarantee…. first of all, PRA is late onset (usually between 5 & 10yrs) so a 2yr health guarantee is pretty useless. Hips and elbows can't be done until after 2yrs... and about Fanconi... well if you have the direct test done on the sire and dam with Clear results or even Carrier, there would not be any reason for a lifetime Fanconi Guarantee?
And are you going to require spay/neuter in your contract? And under what circumstances would you give full registration?
Yes i have planned my first litter this year. I am breeding my canadian champion Mia (Africanadian Mia Ahmahr Nahrs) to dorsey (zindika svengali determinator. And i have been showing and doing performance. We went to the sioux empire kennel club and she got 2 points and then we went to nationals this year. I am new to showing and it may take a little while but she is a gorgeous girl. I also did lure coursing in PA. She has a Great expression full of wrinkles, nice topline, nice movement, dark chesnut, extremely sweet personality. She is almost completely square, she is 1/2" off with her measurements for being square.
Mia is Fanconi Clear. Eyes Cerf'd Normal, Thyroid tested normal, and her hips are being sent in, tho my vet told me they looked super good and very normal for a dog this age. but they were sent in because i want to have "proof" and I want the "professionals" to tell me exactly what they are.
Dorsey is Fanconi Probably clear. Eyes Cerf'd normal, Hips and elbows are good.Your right, i never thought about the PRA. What do you offer as a health guarantee? Maybe I will change it to like a 5 year health guarantee. or something. And fanconi, I offer it just to make the owners feel comfortable. I only test with direct now and all of my girls are tested (she is clear, breeding to a probably clear male) I just want owners to feel comfortable that I have a fanconi guarantee. I know that accidents happen (i would never breed intentially and i dont have a carrier male so it wouldnt likely happen but ON THE OFF CHANCE, i like my owners to know that if their puppy would come down with fanconi, I do guarantee it for their own peace of mind. Like you said, not that there would be any reason for one but i just want to have one because it makes me feel better and it makes my new owners feel better.
Yes, i require spay and neuter contract. I have one written up already along with an adoption contract. So i am well off on that. I MAY sell show puppies however it highly depends on the new owner and i require a co ownership too.
I attached a picture of the mating for you all to see.
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make sure your puppy contract requires the dog to come back to you if the home does not work out, too many back yard breeder dogs already in rescue.
Of course!!! I have that in there in bold lettering! That is a responsibility i am very passionate about. If someone cannot keep one of my puppies, regardless of its age, i will take it back, no questions asked. I just want my puppies to be safe and healthy and have permanent homes.
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Whitney, haven't you been working with Miah's breeder regarding the decisions around the breeding?
And IMHO, don't get hung up on the "show" versus "pet" puppies. You could get a litter that all have "show potential" or none at all and all various degrees in between. The litter I got my last puppy from all were very nice and could easily be shown, and five out of the seven are. I would have been happy getting any of them. So there is a distinct possibility you could be placing puppies with "show potential" in companion homes, unless you are planning to keep every single dog out of the litter with a chance in the ring. And a puppy that is capable of getting a championship is not necessarily one that should be breed in the future. Pick what you think are the best specimens out of the litter that fit your vision of advancing the breed (hopefully with guidance of your breeder mentors) and your beginning breeding program and go from there and forget the labels.
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Whitney, haven't you been working with Miah's breeder regarding the decisions around the breeding?
And IMHO, don't get hung up on the "show" versus "pet" puppies. You could get a litter that all have "show potential" or none at all and all various degrees in between. The litter I got my last puppy from all were very nice and could easily be shown, and five out of the seven are. I would have been happy getting any of them. So there is a distinct possibility you could be placing puppies with "show potential" in companion homes, unless you are planning to keep every single dog out of the litter with a chance in the ring. And a puppy that is capable of getting a championship is not necessarily one that should be breed in the future. Pick what you think are the best specimens out of the litter that fit your vision of advancing the breed (hopefully with guidance of your breeder mentors) and your beginning breeding program and go from there and forget the labels.
Thanks! I was planning on keeping a puppy back that i liked myself. Yes i have been working with miahs breeder. She chose the sire, dorsey. and has helped me get everything patched together. such a nice person, i really enjoy her!id say sheis my mentor even if she is in canada! but that is great advice " Pick what you think are the best specimens out of the litter that fit your vision of advancing the breed (hopefully with guidance of your breeder mentors) and your beginning breeding program and go from there and forget the labels." I will do that and keep it in mind when i am picking my puppy pick from the litter.
I think there is always potential from a litter to be able to be shown. but i guess it just depends on when they are 8 weeks and what we feel are show quality. thanks so much tho for the advice. i really appreciate it
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One thing to keep in mind is that show homes are few and far between. Serious exhibitors already have their own animals or get new pups from other serious exhibitors. Miah's breeder and the stud owner may be able to help you put a pup or two in show homes but it's best not to count on it. Be careful of novices who say they want a show dog. There are a lot of dishonest people who will use that ploy to get their hands on an intact dog with full registration. They just want it for breeding and have no intention of following through with showing. Protect your reputation and the reputation of Miah's breeder and the stud owner by being careful not to let pups get into situations like that.
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One thing to keep in mind is that show homes are few and far between. Serious exhibitors already have their own animals or get new pups from other serious exhibitors. Miah's breeder and the stud owner may be able to help you put a pup or two in show homes but it's best not to count on it. Be careful of novices who say they want a show dog. There are a lot of dishonest people who will use that ploy to get their hands on an intact dog with full registration. They just want it for breeding and have no intention of following through with showing. Protect your reputation and the reputation of Miah's breeder and the stud owner by being careful not to let pups get into situations like that.
That is very good advice Robyn. Thanks! Ill be sure to be careful. We already have 3 show homes for the puppies so its unlikely we will have anymore than that. Sanda and I are keeping back a couple show home puppies so most likely we will have all pet puppies left. but if the right person comes along, i may allow them a show puppy. but i require co ownerships until the puppy is a finished champion so things like that cannot happen–usually.
Thanks so much for the heads up tho. Its always nice to get good advice before you make the wrong decisions. I also require i be the Microchip Alternate contact person so if the owner wont get her/him, then i can. -
Having a co-ownership on a dog will not stop an unscrupulous person from breeding a dog they get from you. It does not give you that much leverage.
And also I would like to mention that if someone wants to do performance with their dogs, having a conformationally "correct" dog with good structure is important too. They would likely fit in the "show potential" category for choosing dogs. But in that case, the dogs don't need to be intact.
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Agree Nemo…. only in the case of a bitch do both (all) owners/co-owners have to sign litter papers.
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Having a co-ownership on a dog will not stop an unscrupulous person from breeding a dog they get from you. It does not give you that much leverage.
And also I would like to mention that if someone wants to do performance with their dogs, having a conformationally "correct" dog with good structure is important too. They would likely fit in the "show potential" category for choosing dogs. But in that case, the dogs don't need to be intact.
This is true. but at least they wont be able to register them without your permission since you have to sign off on them, isnt that correct? but its true, co ownerships are not bullet proof
Yes that is true too. i like performance events with my dogs. I plan to be active in that and the ring. makes it more fun. but its nice that they dont have to be intact for that.
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Agree Nemo…. only in the case of a bitch do both (all) owners/co-owners have to sign litter papers.
didnt realize you wrote this until i posted my response. So good, it is true lol :)i thought so
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But isn't that just the case if they want to do AKC registration? If they decide to do Continental KC or any of the other sham registries, can't they still get away with it and sell the puppies?
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Of course they don't have to register them at all to sell puppies.
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Co-ownership will not stop unscrupulous breeding and does not stop puppies from a male dogs from being registered with AKC and in all honesty is only limited protection with females because the co-owner can petition AKC to register the litter without the other owner's signature. It is one reason that AKC doesn't really want co-ownerships. They don't want to get involved in disputes between co-owners.
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wow. that seems really messed up. Cant the contract do anything about it? I mean cant you take someone to court if they void the contract?? interesting to learn these things.
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