I would say it is better to consult and get the proper guidance from a Vetenary doctor about the diet of the puppy with regular intervals, otherwise the diseases may evolve during certain intervals and that may lead to the death of your puppy. lewis diet book"
Raw Feeding?
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In all of my raw research, I've never seen that. Although, admittedly, I've never researched raw as it pertains to puppies. When the puppy question has been posed in the raw feeding lists I belong to, the answer has always been 2-3% of expected adult weight. Hmmm.
2-3% of adult weight makes sense to me for B puppies (it's about 8-12 oz./day for an expected 25 lb. adult), but for bigger breeds, it does seem like it might be too much for a pup.
Looks like I've got more learning to do!
I'm registered to the Dutch BARF forum and this is their advise for feeding pups raw (though NOT specifically Basenjis !)
I try to translate the Dutch version…:o…When you start feeding puppies at around 4 weeks, you can feed them as much as they want. Try feeding them 4-5 times a day.
When you want to feed them more accurately : feed them 5-10 % of their actual body weight. That is about 50gr-100gr / kg of bodyweight. Feed them on sight, a bit more or a bit less…Because this is indeed quite different from the information that you have it would be very interesting to get a few more opinions before starting feeding our furries
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Well, did a bit of simple calculation and … WE ARE BOTH RIGHT !!
2-3 % of the adult weight (10 kg) = 200-300 gr per day
5-10 % of the puppie weight (4 kg)=200-400 gr per day
So … I'm ready for it !:D
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Well, did a bit of simple calculation and … WE ARE BOTH RIGHT !!
2-3 % of the adult weight (10 kg) = 200-300 gr per day
5-10 % of the puppie weight (4 kg)=200-400 gr per day
So … I'm ready for it !:D
You just have to start feeding.. and then look at Bendji if he needs more or less.. You will do fine
Tillo started with 200 gr and now eats 400 gr raw and also some kibble as treats.. I weighted Tillo every two weeks, so I could monitor how he was growing. I still weigh him once a month, so I can adjust his food -
Thanks Janneke, that's exactely what I intended to do.
I recently bought a digital scale so I can weigh Bendji every week (I'm a scientist you know: I like to google with numbers and statistics)
and throw everything into an Excel sheet (with graphs and all …)
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Thanks Janneke, that's exactely what I intended to do.
I recently bought a digital scale so I can weigh Bendji every week (I'm a scientist you know: I like to google with numbers and statistics) and throw everything into an Excel sheet (with graphs and all …)
Hope to meet you, Kim and all of the furries very soon !Yes, I also have everything on paper
We can't wait to see you too!!! But.. the rain really has to go.. Tillo doesn't want to go out at the moment!! Yesterday he woke up at 9.. slept again around 11.. woke up around 17.00 and slept again at 18.00!! He saw the rain and thought.. nope.. not today Same story today! Haha.. crazy pups -
Well, that's one of the reasons I LOOOOOVE them !!:D
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i read through all of these posts and I have a question. First I will be getting my 11week old puppy this November 2010. I have been looking for the right food to feed my puppy and then thinking of if i will continue what my breeder is doing by feeding him raw meat. BUT feeding raw meat must COST a lot of money. Those that are feeding their dogs raw meat, how much are you spending a week? Month? Year? And where do you go get your raw meat? Shoot, buying chicken for my family can hurt the pocketbook.
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I buy it together with some of my neighbours, because you get a discount if you buy 100+ kg
I pay 3.70 euro per kg. I have it packed in 500 gram packages, which costs a bit more.. Tillo eats in the summer 180 gram and in the winter almost 400 gram.I think it is cheaper to buy meat from a butcher, but I don't have the time to prepare all his meals myself. Now I only have to defrost
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I guess i didn't notice that some of the respondents on this thread were outside the US… just like a typical American, not noticing other nationalities. HAHA. but never the less thats over 200lbs of meat at one time. I see how you can afford to maintain a completely raw diet for them. So if i have my conversions right 1KG=2.2046lb , 1euro=1.3958USD. your spending about 2.34USD/lb on raw meat. Your 500g packs are roughly 17onces/1.1lb and you feed them anywhere from 6oz to 14oz daily, that is 42-98oz (2.625lbs - 6lbs) a week. Spending in USD, $6.15 - $14.35 a week... $319 - $746 a year (229.15euro - 534.68euro).... WOW. That is a lot. I think I use raw as a treat/supplement.
Additional question... Do you five them the bones to chew on too? I hear that is good for their teeth.
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I guess i didn't notice that some of the respondents on this thread were outside the US… just like a typical American, not noticing other nationalities. HAHA. but never the less thats over 200lbs of meat at one time. I see how you can afford to maintain a completely raw diet for them. So if i have my conversions right 1KG=2.2046lb , 1euro=1.3958USD. your spending about 2.34USD/lb on raw meat. Your 500g packs are roughly 17onces/1.1lb and you feed them anywhere from 6oz to 14oz daily, that is 42-98oz (2.625lbs - 6lbs) a week. Spending in USD, $6.15 - $14.35 a week... $319 - $746 a year (229.15euro - 534.68euro).... WOW. That is a lot. I think I use raw as a treat/supplement.
Additional question... Do you five them the bones to chew on too? I hear that is good for their teeth.
I'm glad you did the calculating
I thought you would figure it out :p
I think there are cheaper options.. Like preparing the meals yourself etc. And I don't know if meat is more expensive over here then in the US? Could be..We give meat bones as well, but not the parts that carry a lot of weight. So we give calf ribs or chicken carcasses etc. But Tillo doesn't always tolerates them well.. he sometimes barfs it up
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I guess i didn't notice that some of the respondents on this thread were outside the US… just like a typical American, not noticing other nationalities. HAHA. but never the less thats over 200lbs of meat at one time. I see how you can afford to maintain a completely raw diet for them. So if i have my conversions right 1KG=2.2046lb , 1euro=1.3958USD. your spending about 2.34USD/lb on raw meat. Your 500g packs are roughly 17onces/1.1lb and you feed them anywhere from 6oz to 14oz daily, that is 42-98oz (2.625lbs - 6lbs) a week. Spending in USD, $6.15 - $14.35 a week... $319 - $746 a year (229.15euro - 534.68euro).... WOW. That is a lot. I think I use raw as a treat/supplement.
Additional question... Do you five them the bones to chew on too? I hear that is good for their teeth.
Many people buy in large quantities in groups to keep the price down, but I have found I can order smaller quantities from my local butcher for a similar price. I can get a 40 lb box of chicken (necks, wings, or backs) for $22.00. So that is like 0.55 USD/lb. I feed two dogs right now and that lasts me a while. I only feed raw one meal of the day, typically. Plus you can go to Sams or Costco and get relatively decent prices on large packages of chicken, etc.
There are a number of Yahoo raw groups for local areas where you can coordinate with others to buy in bulk.
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I'm in the UK so I suppose not much help - I do feed raw and the meat costs me approx ?4 a day for 8 dogs. There are of course many other costs in the way of biscuit,vegetables and supplements.
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Many people buy in large quantities in groups to keep the price down, but I have found I can order smaller quantities from my local butcher for a similar price. I can get a 40 lb box of chicken (necks, wings, or backs) for $22.00. So that is like 0.55 USD/lb. I feed two dogs right now and that lasts me a while. I only feed raw one meal of the day, typically. Plus you can go to Sams or Costco and get relatively decent prices on large packages of chicken, etc.
There are a number of Yahoo raw groups for local areas where you can coordinate with others to buy in bulk.
Thanks, and $0.55/lb is GREAT. I like the idea of feeding raw, but if i cant supplement the cost the dog would be eating more money then me.
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Thanks, and $0.55/lb is GREAT. I like the idea of feeding raw, but if i cant supplement the cost the dog would be eating more money then me.
haha :D. I think I'm going to join Sam's once the dog comes home. I wish I had that connect. haha. I'll look into group buying in my area.And just call around to local butchers too and even ask at the grocery stores if you can order meat in bulk (typically 40 lb boxes from what I can gather). It might be easier than you think. The challenging part with bulk is that after you get it, you have to repackage it all, which can take a chunk of a few hours to do it. I use a vacuum sealer, which works pretty well.
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So you can just buy packages of chicken and beef or pork, lamb at the grocery store or butchers and give it to your dog??? If so, are there certain cuts of meat to use/avoid?? I am soooo new at raw food- love the benefits to it but am intimidated by it not knowing what is consists of doing, buying etc…I should state that I would likely do a half/half diet of raw and high quality food- I just have to see if I can wrap my head around the do's and dont's...
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Chelsea, I truly suggest you read up on raw food. But you can start your dogs off on chicken wings.
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Chelsea, I truly suggest you read up on raw food. But you can start your dogs off on chicken wings.
So, Ive never done the raw thing…. Is food illness not an issue? do you literally go buy a package of raw ground beef and just dump it in the bowl?
I feed grain free across the board and have heard of the raw meat and egg treats called silk something.... i think, but I was always worried about them getting sick.....
And... I thought chicken wings were bad for dog if they get the bone? Do you have to debone all this meat?
I havent done any research on raw feedings, so learning here.
Also - when a dog whos been on grain free kibble for all 5 years of his life, if i was to switch over to raw, would this make his tummy hurt? would is cause digestive upset? pain?
thx!
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I feed raw meaty bones. Chicken wings, chicken backs, turkey necks (a favorite!) are my staples.
Dogs eat dead things, poop, cat poo etc. If the raw meat is not contaminated, they handle it without problems. Remember, raw is all dogs ate til the last hundred years or so. It takes many thousands of years to change on a molecular basis, so internally they can still handle raw foods like their wild relatives. That said, some recent research is not supporting they are HEALTHIER than kibble fed dogs, but they are not worse either. I still think raw is better.
No, do not debone. Just raw meat is not good, they need the calcium and balance. Also, the powdery poop is a plus, lol.
http://www.the-happy-dog-spot.com/raw-diet-for-dogs.html is fairly good though I do suggest you read billingshurst and others. I THINK I gave all my raw food books away but if you are serious about feeding it, I'll look and see if I have any left and give whatever I find to you.
Btw, I give 5 wk old puppies chicken necks, move them up to chicken wings by the time they are 8 wks old. I fed my geriatric Rottie who had liver/pancreas/intestinal issues raw from the time she was 4 and they gave her 6 mos to live. She lived to 13 1/2, which is ANCIENT for a Rottweiler.
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Yes, I second what Debra said..chicken backs, turkey/chicken necks are huge favorites at our house. I do feed only meats as well..but only sparingly as the bones make up for the calcium and the chew factor dogs crave to have. I also add very small amounts of veggies, like ground up carrots or green ben, raw as well, about the equivalent found in a stomach of a preyed animal..if that makes sense. The main concern with shopping for meats/bones is make sure it is just plain meats and bones, no added solutions, like sal or flavorings..fillers or the like..it is junk for us and it is absolutely junk for the dogs.
My dogs thrive on it, very nice clean teeth, breath that smells fresh as supposed something died in their stomachs..and nice shiny coats.
Just google RAW diet for dogs, BARF diet and you should find more information that you care to shake a stick at…and ask questions if you have any. -
Just a side note or 2 - first, make absolutely certain you do not contaminate surfaces especially with raw chicken. Chickens carry all sorts of bacteria, including salmonella, and it can be transmitted from surfaces, hands, etc, to humans.
Also, if you have a dog with Fanconi, be aware that Dr. Gonto is not in favor of feeding raw - no specific concerns, just that these dogs are dealing with enough and he's concerned about the bacterial overload being just one more thing for their systems to deal with.
I do know a lot of people who feed raw, and as Debra says, while they may not be healthier dogs, it does seem to make sense… That said, we feed commercial, premium foods, and our dogs have done fine. So I'd say it's simply personal preference.Terry
