If Otis' parents have been Fanconi tested…
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  • Houston

    …should I test him as well? Otis' parents were tested and came out probably clear/normal, do I still go ahead and have him tested? I want to make sure he doesn't have it for the purpose of just in case he does we can monitor it and catch it early. He is only 4 months old.

    Thanks, Basenjimamma

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  • Have you verified parents on the OFA site? And if they have both tested Clear/normal and are published on the OFA site, you do not really need to test him, as he will not get Fanconi. However, the more dogs that are tested and put in the database, the better information is there regarding pedigrees and information on pedigrees that breeders will have. For 60.00, it is a pretty reasonable price to pay for the future of our breed.

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  • Houston

    Tanza, I do have verification through the OFA site. Both of his parents are on there and yes they both tested probably clear/normal. I will definitely have it done though like you said to get some more dogs into the system.
    Thanks for the quick response,

    Basenjimamma

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  • @Basenjimamma:

    Tanza, I do have verification through the OFA site. Both of his parents are on there and yes they both tested probably clear/normal. I will definitely have it done though like you said to get some more dogs into the system.
    Thanks for the quick response,

    Basenjimamma

    Thanks… and that's great that he is from clear parents. Have you said what his pedigree is? Many of us have "related" dogs and love to know about other related dogs. There is a forum member that got their pup last year from the breeder of the sire of my old boy, OJ that 17+ when he crossed the bridge earlier this year... so all those years later... and still related!!

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  • Houston

    His father is Webedoggies Duke of Basenji's and mother Webedoggies Dazzling Fudge

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  • @Basenjimamma:

    His father is Webedoggies Duke of Basenji's and mother Webedoggies Dazzling Fudge

    I think there are some on here with the same breeding. Or at least with the same kennel name. Do you have the full pedigree? On Sally's pedigree database, shows "unknown"/"unknown" as the Sire and Dam of Dazzling Fudge, same thing for the Sire, Duke of Basenjis. And the number they have used for those dogs are not an AKC number

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  • Houston

    I do have some more names; Dazzling Fudges parents Ro-Dan's Red Cardinal and Ro-Dan's cool dazzle of silk. Duke of Basenjis parents Ro-Dan's Red prairie and Ro-Dan's Debra. I don't know if that helps…
    I do have the AKC numbers for both of Otis' parents they both start with the letters HP, does that sound correct?
    I actually have the Registration Certf for both dogs in my possesion.
    Basenjimamma

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  • Yes, that would be a correct AKC number starting with HP… like Kobey's number is HP25261501. Broken down, the HP252615 is the same for all the pups in his litter, there were three, the only difference is the 2 numbers at the end.. so if there are 3 pups in a litter they would all be HP252615 then 01, 02, 03 for each of the three pups.

    All but Red Cardinal are on Sally's site (if you seach by Ro-Dan) and interesting that Ro-Dan's Debra is again with strange registration numbers. Looks to be something that WeBeDoggies made up.... I just find it odd that they would not use the AKC registration numbers when they did the Fanconi test. Sally's site is http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/search.html

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  • Houston

    I have been on there since we "posted' last and yes interesting, but it seems as if at least my Otis hopefully has the Fanconi thing ( and I don't mean that lightly) on his side. I have the same numbers on Ro-Dan's Debra, so I can't help anymore…sorry. What does this mean for my dog?

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  • @Basenjimamma:

    I have been on there since we "posted' last and yes interesting, but it seems as if at least my Otis hopefully has the Fanconi thing ( and I don't mean that lightly) on his side. I have the same numbers on Ro-Dan's Debra, so I can't help anymore…sorry. What does this mean for my dog?

    You help lots… gave me some info for Sally to update her pedigree site.

    As far as Otis, really doesn't mean anything for him. I assume that he will be neutered, so enjoy your companion.

    With all the strange numbers being used for registration, if this were a breeding consideration, I would wonder maybe about the validity of the pedigree... which is another good reason for your peace of mind to do the DNA test for Fanconi on Otis.

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  • Houston

    just to reiterate, DNA test for fanconi is that the cheek swab test or does that require blood work? I have been on the website for the cheekswab test(can't think of the name right now, and the kids are killing each other so I don't have time to look it up), so I am doing that test, but don't know if I need to do bloodwork instead.

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  • @Basenjimamma:

    just to reiterate, DNA test for fanconi is that the cheek swab test or does that require blood work? I have been on the website for the cheekswab test(can't think of the name right now, and the kids are killing each other so I don't have time to look it up), so I am doing that test, but don't know if I need to do bloodwork instead.

    You do NOT need bloodwork, only the cheek swab….

    http://www.basenjihealth.org/health-content.html#fanconi

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    Ro-Dan's Cool Dazzle of Silk is the dam of a dog auction rescue I rescued in February 2001, MTF Dazzle of Silk. MTF Dazzle of Silk, call name Dazzle, was hit and killed by a car soon after adoption.

    I am surprised to see that this dog had a litter at almost 9 years of age and I found this on the internet:

    Dazzle ~ Basenji ~ Female ~ 10 yrs ~ Registered AKC/APRI~
    $FREE ($50 extra for papers)

    I've been a good mama for many years and now am looking for a new family. I am a rescue and have been an inside dog at one time, but it has been a while. I am very smart and love attention. I need to be the only female dog in my home.

    Why is a 10 year old B an outside dog? Because she is a former commercial breeding dog who according to these people is old and used up!

    The odd/strange registration number is the APRI register. I believe my rescue Dazzle may also have been APRI registered in addition to AKC. This registry is popular with the commercial breeders in the midwest but now they use just about any register, ACA, UABR, CKC-Continental Kennel Club. APRI sets up a booth at every auction at a specific dog auction house in MO. There is also a new registry for the Amish commercial breeders in OH.

    Here are some of the reasons that the dogs are not AKC registered. Some of the dogs are sold as breeding dogs, either via an auction or privately, and some are already non AKC registered and cannot be AKC registered, some are owned and/or sold by breeders who are AKC suspended, and some breeders dislike the AKC and in the past said that the AKC DNA test for frequently bred sires was too expensive. These idiots did not know the rule as the test was/is $40. AKC registered dogs must be microchipped to be sold at the dog auctions and in the early days some of these dogs were not microchipped so could not be sold as AKC registered. I also saw some AKC pregnant Bs sold at an auction and I do not think any of these future pups could be AKC registered since the owners did not know who the sires were.

    Ro-Dan's is Rosalie and Dan Elliott from MO, were USDA licensed commercial breeders. I had thought they had gotten out of breeding Bs but a few years ago I heard they still were.

    MTF s/b TMF is Terri Fitzpatrick from OK, is a USDA licensed commercial breeder. She still sells dogs at the auctions but is no longer breeding Bs.

    A USDA licensed commerical breeder/broker is licensed to breed and/or broker for the petstores. With the age of the internet, many of these breeders/brokers now will sell their pups on the internet. Some will sell to brokers first and then sell the leftover pups on the internet and some of these pups could be broker rejects with health issues such as luxating patellas, heart murmurs, etc.! The remaining unsold pups will often be sold as breeding dogs to other breeders and/or at the dog auctions.

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  • Houston

    Wow, that is a lot of information. What does this mean for my Otis?

    Basenjimamma

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    I was just giving you some background information regarding the relatives of your dogs.

    What I do find interesting is that the sire and dam of your dog are the only dogs out of their litters that are AKC registered. Probably all the others are APRI registered.

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  • Houston

    Thanks for the info, I too find that pretty interesting.

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  • Houston

    Tanza ,
    I am hoping you will read this as I have one more question/comment. I found some other numbers for some of Otis' grandparents and I don't know if they will be helpful sor Zande's website. They are on the papers I got from my "breeder (I use that lightly)" regarding the AKC registration on the Sire and the Dame. I see that the sire and the dames number start with HP, but these other numbers I have start with HM; AKC DNA #; and AKC… I, like I said don't know if these mean anything but wanted to run it by you.

    Thanks in advance, Petra

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  • HM means the dog was probably born in 2000 or before, when AKC used all the HM numbers they started using HP and some have HN numbers.

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  • Houston

    Ok, so the numbers sound correct? I am just trying to get some info for myself and for Sally's directory (?).
    petra

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  • @Basenjimamma:

    Tanza ,
    I am hoping you will read this as I have one more question/comment. I found some other numbers for some of Otis' grandparents and I don't know if they will be helpful sor Zande's website. They are on the papers I got from my "breeder (I use that lightly)" regarding the AKC registration on the Sire and the Dame. I see that the sire and the dames number start with HP, but these other numbers I have start with HM; AKC DNA #; and AKC… I, like I said don't know if these mean anything but wanted to run it by you.

    Thanks in advance, Petra

    If you are seeing an AKC DNA# that is used for parentage. It was started as a mandatory program for "Frequesntly Used Sires" (BYB's and Puppymills) to verify parentage. At the time it was started, many BYB's and Puppmillers refused to comply with the requirement thus starting many of the other registration sites that you see listed on dogs. You can read about AKC DNA testing at http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm
    So, if you have pedigree on your pup and you go back far enough, usually you will find dogs that are/were AKC registered. As lvoss pointed out the HM in front of the number was last used for registration numbers by AKC around 2000.

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  • Houston

    Thanks for the info.

    petra

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