Welcome to the forum, I have 3 Meisterhaus Basenjis and one Meisterhaus whippet, all of mine have finished their show and coursing championships and recently the last one earned her versatile basenji award by earning her race title.
New potential Basenji Owner in Wisconsin–-am a little scared!
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I am purchasing this dog from a lady in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Her name is Teresa and her website, is Hestekinhills.com
It looks very reputable…..
Where did you get yours from?
How are you doing with the new puppy?
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Make sure to ask for the parents registered names and regsitration numbers so you can search the OFA website for the Fanconi test results. Verify for yourself that they are there and that one parent has tested Probably Clear.
Responsible breeders do more that just test for Fanconi Syndrome. Both parents should have hips done and CERF numbers, this would all be listed on their OFA page with Fanconi results.
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I am purchasing this dog from a lady in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Her name is Teresa and her website, is Hestekinhills.com
It looks very reputable…..
Where did you get yours from?
How are you doing with the new puppy?
Hi Catherine,
I got my basenji from Sue Joyner down near Chicago. I'm doing pretty good with the puppy, she is a handful. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun. Just double check on the fanconi test for the parents with the breeder. Which litter is she from? -
Yes, please be sure that this pup's parents have been DNA tested for Fanconi at the very least… with a responsible breeder you should be getting a pup who's parents have DNA testing for Fanconi, Hips done, Thyroid, and eyes checked by a board certified Vet...
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And since this breeder breeds a lot of puppies of other breeds besides Basenjis… I would be concerned about how they have been socialized considering their age.
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I will make sure of all of this. I am traveling there on Friday and if it seems unreputable I will not be purchasing this dog.
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I'll just say that if you search "Hestekin" on this site you will see a number of discussions about it (including posts from Teresa). There is a lot of passion on this forum regarding health testing and responsible breeding practices, so that is where a lot of the concern and discussion originates from.
Good Luck!
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If you haven't already checked out this website, take a look and see if you have already gotten the answers to all of these questions, http://www.basenji.org/learn/ScreeningBreeders.htm
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Here is an article about things to look for in a breeder and why they are important.
http://kineticbasenjis.tripod.com/Information/Buying_a_Basenji.html
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Your breeder seems very well intended. But, what worries me is zero mention of testing for Fanconi testing on her website, as well as her prices for her dogs, especially for "show champion" bloodlines are completely ridiculous. A Basenji breeder who has spectacular bloodlines, who puts hours and hours of thought into the genetics, health and temperament of a litter will normally charge between 800-1000 dollars for a dog with complete health testing and no distinction between show and pet quality puppies. So my question for the breeder would be where is the testing paperwork for the parents, this must be on the OFA website or the proper testing was not administered. Hips, Eyes, & Thyroid are important too. Please trust the people on the forum when we say, putting yourself at risk for a Fanconi affected puppy is the last thing you want for your family, for your children, who I'm sure are over the moon about getting a puppy. It's heart breaking to read the stories on this forum of members whose dogs have died prematurely from this disease.
If you are wary, please look at the BCOA breeder's directory. As well Ivoss's links above are must reads.
http://www.basenji.org/PUBLIC/BreederDirectory.htmor perhaps consider adoption through BRAT, there are many golden opportunity dogs waiting for homes.
I hope you will be able to find a curly tailed monster that will enrich your life the way ours have. They are worth all the extra effort to make sure they are right for you.
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Welcome to the forum! Please listen to all the good advice already given in this thread!
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Catherine, thank you so much for taking all the discussion on here about testing so seriously. You might find the love of your life at the breeders, but that could turn into serious heart break in a short amount of time if the health of the pup is questionable.
If you want an example story, do a site search–"Isis".
If not, at least read one of the last threads.....
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=5736&highlight=Isis…..and the final thread..... http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=5788&highlight=Isis
I am in no way trying to discourage you from becoming a B. owner. I merely encourage you, with the help of others here, to be the most informed buyer of a new 'senji that you can possibly be.
Ask the right questions and listen for the correct answers. Good luck and safe travels tomorrow.
Dawn
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If you want to know WHY folks are so adamant about making sure you get your upcoming pup from a Fanconi-tested litter [or that the parents – at least one of them -- has tested as Fanconi-clear]….
please go read this thread:
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=4937Do note that this is from one of my own dog owners… their boy passed away a few years ago.... after having Fanconi Syndrome for several years.
Now that the testing IS available, there is absolutely NO reason for NOT having any breedings without testing behind them.
As Lisa also mentioned, there is far more to health testing than Fanconi....
hips, eyes, thyroid, etc.
Who would care less if the dog was Fanconi clear if it were blind and/or dysplastic!There is again, no reason whatsoever, for breeding animals that are untested for any of these issues, or affected, with any of these issues.
Best of luck to you..... do me a favor, count all the dogs/puppies/breeds and let us know how many there are... I am interested in knowing how many breeds she is down/up to these days.
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Yes, with this test, no one should have a fanconis affected dog.
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Thank you all so much for responding to my questions on the Basenji puppy I may be getting.
I am very disheartened, however by the lack of people eager to tell me more about the dog itself than that of the Faconi Syndrome.
The reason I joined this group was to share stories about the dog…..
maybe a little more enlightening????I am sorry, but as a first time dog owner and after all the research I have put forth, I am starting to feel more scared now than excited.
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I guess I don't understand. You want to hear about having a basenji?
Well, getting a basenji ….anyone can. Getting a healthy basenji, that is something we are all trying to help you with.
You can get a basenji that you love and lose it at the age of 5.
Why would you do that to yourself?
Catherine, maybe I am just not getting what you want us to tell you.
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What is it that you are asking? Are asking for more information about the breed?
There are plenty of stories about basenjis throughout this forum.
Basenjis are a unique breed, they can at one moment be quite indpendent completely ignoring you in their pursuit of happiness and at the next moment they show they are completely dedicated to you and their human "pack" curling up next to you when you are feeling down or sick. They like to know what is in it for them when doing things like learning basic commands. They will chase anything that moves because they are sighthounds and is part of their hardwiring. They are clowns and require a sense of humor because they can and will TP the house and then yodel at you cheerfully, proud of their accomplishment.
Here are links to litter blogs to see how a litter of puppies develops.
http://kineticbasenjis.tripod.com/2006litter/
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Here's the gist of Fanconi. This is an afflication that will NOT go away-and will only get worse. It is similar to AIDS in humans. There is no cure and only a partial success of management of the afflication. As Kathy said, look into her issues with Fanconi and you will know why we are so passionate about health testing for the Basenji. We are NOT trying to scare you away from getting a Basenji, but are trying to help you. Please, do a search in the search box up top for Fanconi threads. You can ask any question you need to about Fanconi specifically and there are people who will readily answer you. If you would like to talk to me privately, go to the member list, look me up, e-mail me and I will answer any questions I can.
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I second Lisa, there are loads of threads about the quarks of our furbabies. I find the breed to be incredibly mentally stimulating, certainly no less work than having a 3 year old toddler all the time. Don't get me wrong, my girls are well behaved - for Basenjis hhehe, but it's no walk in the park by far. My friends however are adamant they would never have a Basenji - because she isn't a dog, and most people want dog dogs the kind that play fetch and do little tricks, "man's best friend" and all that. I think that's what I love about them so much, they are not dogs. They are these little wild wolf/jackals that have some how come to love us and want to be around us. They are quite intense but funny, have a incredibly strong hunt drive but manage to convey affection clearly, clever and goofy all at the same time. They choose to love us, and it's really kinda an odd honor to win the respect and devotion of an animal like that.
Don't be disheartened, people just want to be sure you get what you are desiring, a healthy puppy. Information is power. And honestly it's ok to have a small bit of fear, healthy even, getting a puppy is like bringing a new baby home - it's a lot of hard hard work and you know inside that you are responsible for the outcome of the dog's behavior etc. But excitement and joy are all apart of it too. It's a really wondrous time
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I do understand what you are saying, Catherine. You were hoping for a little more joy and excitement and encouragement, because you mentioned being scared, this being your first basenji. That's understandable. We do not mean to scare you away from the breed at all. They are wonderful dogs. You won't find a more basenji devoted group of people ( we are, after all, all members of this forum).
Our reaction, though disappointing, has more to do with the breeder you mentioned than the breed itself. We want you to begin your basenji experience with someone who cares as much about the breed as we do. We wouldn't wish upon anyone that they make an uninformed choice and end up with a fanconi affected pup or a pup with a variety of other health issues that could have been avoided through health testing and careful breeding.
One of the members here just loss his dog to Fanconi and she was 7.
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=5788&highlight=isis
I cannot overemphasize that our concern is out of care for the breed. That's all. I'm sorry it wasn't quite what you wanted to hear.
