Kipawa went through a rambunctious stage at 13 months - he didn't do anything bad, but he seemed to be 'testing' who the boss was. He was reminded, consistently. (Grin) At 15 months he started to show very nice maturation qualities and a complete understanding of his place in our family pack. Be patient, be consistent, give him lots of exercise and really praise him when he is good.
Training Advice, Please help
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I am really having a hard time with my boy, Ramsey. I can't get him to stop chewing up clothes, begging for/stealing food, biting at our face, and running out the front door. Swatting him on the back-side does absolutely no good but he hates having his nose hit. I hate doing it because I know how sensitive a dogs nose is and I don't want to damage it in any way. PLEASE HELP!!!
Just curious how much research you did before getting Ramsey? I mean, Basenjis are notorious for eating laundry, esp. socks and underwear! :rolleyes:
At our house, the general rule is – if you don't want it chewed/eaten/destroyed/gutted, PUT IT AWAY. Bedroom and bathroom doors stay shut or..... you pay the consequences.
Food is not left low enough for ours to reach, and is always pushed away from the edges of the tables and/or counter if we have to leave it. YES< they have been taught the "Leave It" command, and they almost always do leave it.....almost always. I believe "better safe than sorry", and try to avoid giving them opportunities to fail {and piss me off :p }
Also, it's generally accepted wisdom that you not hit your Basenji {or any dog, really}. They respond best to positive reinforcement, or even firm but calm voices and being physically removed from a restricted area.
If he bit at my face, I would firmly, but not harshly, hold each side of his head and say "NO", followed by a "sit, stay" command until he settled down. THAT kind of behavior can really never be allowed, IMO, or you are asking for trouble later.
As for the front door, our B's always rush the door but never actually go out. Of course, they never are near an open door if there's not a person there to block them should they try. We have not done this but I understand it to be highly effective: Choose a spot some distance from the door and make your dog sit/stay while you open and close the door. He receives praise and a treat when he does sit/stay.
NEVER let your dog go out the door first -- he cannot go out the door without an expressed invitation from you, even when he is on leash. He must sit/stay or stand/stay until you invite him out the door.Good luck! These dogs can drive you crazy, but also make you fall crazy in love so.... well worth the work!!:D
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Hold old is this b and what type of exercise does he get?
B's young b's need to walk, not just go into the backyard.
They need to run in dog parks if they are nice with others and they need
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Put cat litter up or restrict your guy's access to it. I have NEVER had a dog, b or not, that could resist the lure of the crunchy outside/warm gooey center of fresh cat mess. I don't think it is possible to train this out of a dog's habits.
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I have always found with my b and the other mixes I've owned that redirection and positive reinforcement (even if its just praise) works much better than hitting. Just as a note though, if you come home to find a decorative rearrangement of the arms of your shirt, (or other things Ramsey is doing) don't try anything with your dog until you are calm. Take a deep breath, count to ten etc. They can totally read frustration, anger and tension and react to it, often with misbehavior or worse behavior. I know this is sometimes hard to realize (I'm guilty of it too:( ) but whenever I find something just really not working with Beegin, I try to check myself first. Am I tense, frustrated etc?
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Exercise is a big deal. Beegin is my first b but his energy level (and reserves!) are much more than any of the mixed breed guys I've had in the past. Sometimes, speeding it up is even better especially if you are crunched for time. I.e. you bike, and he runs, or you run and he runs (which I personally hate…:eek: ) or you roller blade and he runs etc.
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I use a crate for Beegin every once in a while so I recommend having one but if you don't feel you can do that, at least try baby gates to restrict his access to tasty cat leavings or laundry fun.
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You can leave little containers at various (high up) places around your house full of a favorite treat so that you can offer praise and a quick reward for good behavior.
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As far as the chewing, that is a puppy thing and a b thing. I don't want to say "just deal" but you really should invest time/effort in finding out what his fav chew toys are. If there is a pet store (PETCO, PetSmart or a local one) where you can bring leashed pets, take him shopping and let him pick out his favorites. Sniff packages etc. He will let you know if he finds something he likes! Also rosemary oil/water or tea tree oil/water are safe, natural sprays to prevent chewing on some things. Only use on hard surfaces though. I'd think those would stain upholstery and fabrics.
Hope that helps and just keep asking questions on this forum. It is funny how if one person's suggestion doesn't work, you will probably find another one posted in a day or two. Don't give up:)
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Hello,
I had the same problems as yours when I got my Basenji when she was 2 years old. Took me long time to stop her from chewing anything on sight, but gradually, I remove all the temptations away, gave her lots of bones to chew, kept an eye on her all the time (from the corner of my eye) and closed doors. I also listened to lots of advice I got from this site (about training), and now, she pulls at scarves or finds shoes and hanbags to chew when someone has been looking after her for a few days and she comes back home (revenge??). Don't give up, I also put a DAP collar on her and she is much calmer and less anxious. Keep trying and don't hit your B, keep very calm and tells him off in a very serious and stern voice! It worked with mine! -
The only thing that seriously works comes from the humans… and that is picking up after yourself... It was not till my kids were over 10 that I could leave a pair of shoes within their reach..ggg
And still to this day, if people come over and put a coat, purse, bag on the floor, chair, etc... there are immediate Basenji noses in them... as in, if not properly put away, this is fair game.....
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If you read any of my other post's you will see that Ramsey is not my first Basenji. I new what I was in for but he is a lot more stubborn then Sheba. They both get lots of exercise. The thing is, Sheba was not this much trouble… lol The big problem with her was her running out the door. But now that she sees what he is doing, she is starting to pull the same crap. She responded to yelling and the rolled up newspaper. that was after taking her to a training class that did not work. I was clicker training and she hated it. She also responded to Treats, but that was a little difficult because she is so picky. I now have her to the point that i can take my dinner plate and set it on the floor, and if there is silverware on it, she will not touch it. She will get close and sniff, but not take. But if I remove the silverware, then she can have it. Now, like I was saying, Ramsey is just the oppasite of her and I'm having trouble... I was looking for that little something different in training advice. But, thatks for the advice you did give...
Porthos
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A few more ideas for you…
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Try some tastier items instead of store bought treats. Examples like no-spices cooked chicken or burger, low fat hot dogs, canned chicken or small pieces of cheese (although be careful with the cheese as some dogs can be majorly lactose-intolerant and/or have constipation with too much). For my boy, if it comes from the people's counter it is already worth trying. If it is something he sees me eat first, he thinks it is worth having if not stealing.
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What was it about clicker training that your new b hates? I have been using a whistle. The clicker required too many hands for me.
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As another idea for training, some social species (it has been seen in corvid bird species, like parrots, and also chimps and gorillas) that they learn very quickly by observation of someone they know learning. Try having the new b watch you train your old b or go over things she already knows in front of him. You may need to have someone hold him, leash him or crate him to keep him stationary but he can still watch your other b "learning" and getting treats/praise/toys etc.
Keep letting the forum know what works and doesn't for you. Hope things are getting easier.
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I am really having a hard time with my boy, Ramsey. I can't get him to stop chewing up clothes, begging for/stealing food, biting at our face, and running out the front door. Swatting him on the back-side does absolutely no good but he hates having his nose hit. I hate doing it because I know how sensitive a dogs nose is and I don't want to damage it in any way. PLEASE HELP!!!
I am curious as to why you are hitting your dog in the first place? Clearly you have already found out that it is not the best solution and is not working for you. How much time do you spend taking your Basenji's walking every day?
Do you think the dogs are trying to send you a message of some kind?
Have you taken the female to the vet yet or are you just going to sit back and risk that Dogs Health. You know they have credit cards and they give approval online in 5 mins for some of them. Also being former military myself, I know you can go to the credit union and possibly get them to give you a small loan if you agree to have an allotment taken out of your paycheck. Maybe things have changed in that area but it would be worth a try.
Seriously, if you cannot afford to have a dog then why do you? And Yet you have more than one!
I have sat back and been quiet up until this point, but I personally feel (strong statement) that your behavior boarders on neglect and abuse of these animals. If these were your children(granted dogs are not children), would you let money stop you from taking them for proper health care.
I am sorry but I really find your lack of care and treatment of these animals appalling.
Jason
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I strongly agree Comic. Same reason I have not posted until now. Thank you for saying what is in my heart.
I have become a much better housekeeper since the "kids". I adjusted from day 1. Doors shut, garbage contained, laundry contained, collectables and antiques put WAY out of dangers way.
I read and re-read all the info on line (starting 11 years ago- and changing every day) and learned from MY mistakes.
Kate is SOOOOO different from Ty. I had to adjust not only the training, but the house ideals as well. Kate was a "trial by error" dog. Still is, to some extent.
Just an FYI list Porthos:
Underwear is fair game–an open laundry door or bedrooms with socks, panties or shorts on the floor, equates to crotchless panties/shorts.
If B. friendly/engaging toys are not available, then your personal (human) items are fair game.....books, papers from the office, shoes, anything left lying around, etc...
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Are you for real??? that is why I hate trying to get answers here. You all read too much into everything.
1. I take my B's the the park, unfortunately there is no dog parks here, almost everyday and the kids walk them on a regular basis.
2. I don't hit my dogs at all. I tried it, it didn't work, I'm trying other things now.
3. My financial situation was not part of the question so why you brought it up is beyond me.
4. if you don't have positive advice to help, then I would appreciate it if you would continue to "…sit back and keep quiet..."
5. If you think I am abusing or neglecting my Basenji's then feel free to call the ASPCA or Basenji Rescue to come and investigate.
When a question is asked, just answer it, don't go judging what you do not know!!!
To all of you with the good advice, thanks!
A lot of what was suggested, we do. Keep doors closed, moved the litter box, push the food away from the edge, a basket full of toys for both of them. but the one good one I didn't think of was having him watch my girl learn something she already know and see if he learns from that. What has been happening is she has been following him and doing some of his bad things. She just started chewing clothes again after many years of not doing it no more. He has learned "not yours", for the most part... if he really want's it, he will run outside with it when we say "not yours"...
That's enough for now, thanks for the "good" advice.
If you don't have any "good" advice, please keep you comments to your self and just "...sit back and keep quiet..."Porthos
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To keep your dogs distracted and busy, I get beef bones with marrow in them, in 2 in slices, freeze them, and give them to the b's when I need a bit of time to myself.
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My responses will appear in red within the copy of what I quoted that you posted previously.
Are you for real??? that is why I hate trying to get answers here. You all read too much into everything.
1. I take my B's the the park, unfortunately there is no dog parks here, almost everyday and the kids walk them on a regular basis.
I personally only asked about you walking your dogs and mentioned nothing about dog parks. Since I am not going to reread all the posts again in this thread I will concede that its possible another member did. I only asked the question in regard to walking your Basenji's because this activity or lack of it can have a direct impact on their behavior.
2. I don't hit my dogs at all. I tried it, it didn't work, I'm trying other things now.
In one sentence you say you do not hit your dogs and in another you say you did. If you are going post about hitting your dog in the nose and how your dog reacted, we have not read any more into anything than you yourself have claimed. Its good you finally figured out that hitting your dog was not the best route and you are trying other things. Even so, the fact remains you already admitted to hitting your dog! I do not think there is any confusion from anyone except for you in regard to this.
3. My financial situation was not part of the question so why you brought it up is beyond me.
**Excuse me? You brought up your financial situation in another thread when you were asked if you had taken your Female Basenji to the Vet after the birth of two puppies.
Taking your Basenji to the Vet after birth is very important and not considered optional to insure the health of the mother and prevent any chance of a serious uterine infection that possibly could kill her. Your answer was that you needed to wait until pay day so you could afford to do it. So to save time I combined it in this one. As far as I can tell you are not responding to whether your took your female to the Vet after the birth and you have been asked several times. So yes there certainly is an assumption, at least on my part that you have not done so. If you had there would have been no reason to keep it a secret.
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**In addition, Even when you knew your Female was pregnant you neglected to take her to the Vet previous to birth so an Xray or possibly a ultrasound could have been done to insure both the mothers as well as the puppies health, and you would have had an idea how many puppies to expect.
**4. if you don't have positive advice to help, then I would appreciate it if you would continue to "…sit back and keep quiet..."
**You were given positive advice by many people in the other thread as well as this one. It appears when it came to the health of your female and her pregnancy, you simply have chosen to ignore it. Tell me what motivation is there for anyone to post any kind of advice for you be it positive or negative if you are going to ignore it. Just because you do not agree with what is posted does not mean those comments or advice offered is wrong
Apparently you only want people to post what you agree with and establish some sort of rules for others when you do not like what they have to say.
I have no doubt, that every one that has posted in this thread and the other one had the best intentions and were attempting to help you. Many of us were just trying to motivate you to consult a vet and seek the proper care for your female. Maybe if you had done that from that from the beginning, and received some instruction from the vet, it might have been possible to save the life of the two puppies.**
5. If you think I am abusing or neglecting my Basenji's then feel free to call the ASPCA or Basenji Rescue to come and investigate.
****Believe me, I personally considered doing just that as well as contacting your base commander. I even suggested it to another member on this forum in a private conversation. I have even gone as far as looking up the number to the vet clinic on your base and plan on calling them next week to find out if they have any xray equipment.
I have no doubt, that you do not like the comments I have posted, but I do have the welfare of the dogs in your possession at heart. The statements I have posted previously are only based on the information you personally have provided.****
When a question is asked, just answer it, don't go judging what you do not know!!!
****The only information that anyone has available to use in regard to your Basenji's is based on what you have personally provided. If you have left out important details that would clarify the situation, then you have no one else to blame but yourself. No one else is behind the keyboard on your side telling you what to communicate. You have constantly ignored questions related to taking your Female Basenji to the Vet for followup care after birth, this suggests very strongly that you haven't done so. Once again, all anyone has to go on in this forum is what is presented to the members. If it is incorrect information, then it is solely up to you to correct it!
To all of you with the good advice, thanks!
A lot of what was suggested, we do. Keep doors closed, moved the litter box, push the food away from the edge, a basket full of toys for both of them. but the one good one I didn't think of was having him watch my girl learn something she already know and see if he learns from that. What has been happening is she has been following him and doing some of his bad things. She just started chewing clothes again after many years of not doing it no more. He has learned "not yours", for the most part… if he really want's it, he will run outside with it when we say "not yours"...
That's enough for now, thanks for the "good" advice.
If you don't have any "good" advice, please keep you comments to your self and just "...sit back and keep quiet..."**_It's good that you are doing a lot of what was suggested, but if you are doing a lot of it and not all of it then you yourself have admitted there is room for improvement. Apparently you have appointed yourself to decide what is "good" or "bad" advice. In my opinion there is no better example of "Judging" someone else or their advice then what you have posted. Advice is subjective. What is good for you might not be good for someone else. This certainly does not mean the advice is bad or should not be offered.
If you want to control what can be posted, then maybe you should consider starting your own forum just so you have the ability to censor comments you disagree with or do not like!_**
Porthos
Jason
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2. I don't hit my dogs at all. I tried it, it didn't work, I'm trying other things now.
This statement is contrary to several of your own posts.
Swatting him on the back-side does absolutely no good but he hates having his nose hit. I hate doing it because I know how sensitive a dogs nose is and I don't want to damage it in any way.
She responded to yelling and the rolled up newspaper. that was after taking her to a training class that did not work.
So people got the idea that you hit your dogs directly from your own words on the subject.
3. My financial situation was not part of the question so why you brought it up is beyond me.
Again, in other threads you have mentioned that finances are a concern that factors into your decision making process.
I love my dogs very much, but I'm not rich, and can't afford to just run to a vet all the time, so I use all the resources that are available to me.
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As a matter of fact I called them at 9 when they opened and they said that they could not do X-Rays or ultrasounds and I would have to go to someplace off post…
oh, yes, she has been eating and drinking and is currently sleeping on the couch next to me
I think the information I am about the post will answer some questions. I am going to cross post this in the other thread as well.
Today, I called the Fort Hood Clinic. The woman that answered the phone said they indeed do Xrays. When I specifically asked if they could X-ray a dog prior to delivery? The answer was yes and then I was given information about the proper time within the pregnancy that the clinic would do it. While I did not as about care after birth, it stands to reason that if they are capable and willing to provide proper care prior to birth for the mother and the unborn pups, then they would also provide after care for the birth mother to insure that dogs health.
The bottom line here appears easy to see.
Its very sad and angers me, when a person feels they have to mislead others to cover their own butt! If the other information provided above has been true and accurate, then result is the Female Basenji paid the price for this neglect. Also lets not forget the two Basenji puppies that were born alive but are now dead. I have no idea why proper care and common sense was not used. If you have already witnessed one of the new born puppies losing their life because of the mothers behavior towards it, then common sense would tell you not to put another puppy in harm's way.
Jason
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How old is your Baenji? Some times people get too impatient when dogs are still puppies. Move everything like you would if you had small children. Keep things out of his reach, and continue to say, "No." It takes a lot of time to teach a dog what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Praise when he does well, "No" when he does badly. Just like kids!!
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Well stated Comic/Jason. Thank you for the follow up as well.
This "pack" is far reaching and well intentioned. Hopefully those that are willing to learn, will continue to read and research our wonderful breed. I have learned soooo much from all of you. I have not always agreed at first with some posts, but I kept an open mind. Health questions–-I'll ALWAY listen to the more experienced B owners. Someone here says to find a vet immediately, I will be in the car within 5 minutes.
Thanks again, Comic
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- You do not hit a dog it will not respect you only fear and mistrust you.
2)If you can´t afford insurance to cover vet bills and other incidents in life then you should not have a dog. - A dog who get´s enough excercise and stimulation will not wreck your house ok there may be accidents whilst growing up but house should be puppy proofed as you do when you have child.
I can count on my 5 fingers what my dog´s have ruined and I do not keep them crated not even when I leave the house although the time their left alone is not more then 2-3 hrs a week.
And you should listen to the advice you´re given especially regarding the birth of puppies that was a total botch job on your part.
- You do not hit a dog it will not respect you only fear and mistrust you.
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Reading both this thread and the other thread on this topic makes me honestly want to leave this site entirely.
I know tempers run hot, and everyone is very impassioned, but could you take a deep breath and put yourself in his shoes? He has obviously had a hard time of it….I know the pup did, too, but honestly, is antagonizing him like that really going to do any good?
But, by all means, keep telling him what he should have done. I'm sure that is very useful at this stage of the game.
While you are at it, why don't you let us know when you make a mistake, do something wrong, make the wrong decision, and we can all throw stones at you?
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Robin and Jack, this family failed the bitch and puppies they could have had.
They didn't do their homework, they didn't get her checked out and they let these puppies die.
Awful…yes, but please, who is the one who have control of the dogs under our care...WE Do and not doing right is not ACCEPTABLE.
YOU do right by your dogs or you give them up.
Failure isnt' an option and stupid on toast is totally not!
