I was a little pre-occupied earlier today, and Doodle displayed her displeasure at my constant delays... how? She got up on the sofa and did this little prancing-dancing thing. Like she was saying, "haha, look at me misbehaving". LOL oh yeah.... if that is her "breaking bad", I'm in trouble, she's got my heart!
A diagnosed biter
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I wanted to tell you how I admire your commitment to this boy.
You might always have to run interference for him, but your caring, well it could work.
I would again suggest you get a pro in to eval him.
I know you want him to be the very best dog he can be…with your care, he will be.
Oh, with my biting basenji, I used baby gates.
New folks who came in, or with kids, the basenji was behind the babygate.
He could see the folks, they could greet him, even treat him, but he knew he was safe and they were safe.
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I have baby gates.
Typically, when I have company I pick him up and hold him until the person or the people are inside and settled. I use the gate for pizza deliveries or for company that will only chat at the door. There is a problem with the bars, though. He's more aggressive when behind them so I've stopped using that as a method of isolation while people are over. If anyone comes near the gate, he growls at them and is especially menacing if anyone leans over the gate or reaches over the gate. He even growls at me when I reach over. He certainly doesn't like to be trapped in a corner! The gates, unfortunately, isolate the kitchen, which is a high traffic area - especially when friends are over. He stays on the balcony during the days, so if I have company and am worried about his actions, I just put him out there and put the blockade thingy in the doggie door. -
Good inhome management!
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when I have company I pick him up and hold him until the person or the people are inside and settled. I use the gate for pizza deliveries or for company that will only chat at the door.
I do the same thing…those of us who have "these"
kind of dogs know that this is absolutely the way to manage. It sux but it's gotta be this way. I think you're on the right track with your little B...so keep it up! 
With time you'll get to know Tucker a little better each day & it will be easier to manage. We'll get there! Feel free to PM me with any questions since I too have had to get "creative" with my little girl I luv her to death & I can't ever imagine parting ways with her.But, I digress. Ivy can go for walks anywhere, she can go to training classes, she goes to the vet and the kennel and does just fine….people can visit our house and meet her (if they want to)...but these are all things that I manage very carefully, I can't take my attention off of her. And I don't allow strangers to reach for her...period.
Double Ditto Andrea! I'm the same exact way with Topaz. She goes to training 1x a week & she goes for walks every single day. And people come to my house quite often (More so recently since we're selling our house) and there's rules. No touching Topaz…she doesn't care for it & neither do I
Short Story-DH (stands for Dumb Husband) was out back with the dogs & our realtor. He figured the realtor had been around a few time & C3PO just LOVES this guy so he figured he let his gaurd down with TOPAZ :eek: and low & behold the guy "moved" some how & startled her...she just grazed him but got a good chunk of his pants :o I felt like my DH deserved a good SMACK...his response "It was my fault! I know...I know..I dunno what I was thinking!"
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My dog has been a biter from puppy hood, he even bite his breeder & drew blood as a puppy. we never beat him or treated him poorly. we always treat him delicately but firmly (in the rules). He see's him self as an aplha. He is a proud and fearless dog, but as others say, will never just attack someone. Its always something that sets him off like-
Strangers or children who-
Stare him in the eyes
try to reach around his head or grab his tail
wake him suddenly from a sound sleep. If you wake him softly - no problem
Spook/startle him when he's awake- peek a boo is not a good game for him.We had done all the de-alpha-ing him things, it helped, but I know he still has it in him.
He is 7 and we now just eliminate situations that provoke him to bite and he gets punished at any sign of aggression. He gets a big "NO" a time out and lost freedom privilages. Then he has to earn them back. Also we try to punish him without anger as he returns it two fold.
WE ALWAYS CRATE THEM IF ANY STRANGER/CHILD COMES OVER. Unfamiliar situations is when trouble can happen. I expect the unexpected and get good results.
we have just about eliminated his biting, by controlling the situations. But I will never trust him because I know he has it in him. He gets no chances, I dont want to loose him, get sued or have to put him down.
good things basenji's do not have pitbull sized jaws or there would be a lot less basenji's around
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I have a few like this as well, as JYS will tell you. You learn to recognize the types of people that these tempermental B's will have problems with and your guard goes up.
It's the things we all do or don't do to keep these wonderful little creatures we love.
Special dogs, special people.:D
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oh, before I came here I tried the Ceaser method, it worked to some point, but it really broke his spirit. He became depressed mopy & grumpy, sometimes growling etc.
I went back to his regular give & take positive training and he is a very became a very content & happy dog.
Basenji's just should not be "broken" They need a ton of love, they thrive on it and being with their family. By keeping them out of situations, coupled with positive reward training you can get them to do just about anything. The key is you controlling their world, uncompromised and consistantly.
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I know certian dogs my dog will do fine with-
Female Hounds & labs are fine for him
any long haired small or big dog we wants to rip apart or pull the fur out of.
Also we will not tolerate any unbehaved dog that charges up to him without freezing side by side for the male / female inspection thing. He shows them to mind their manners
we had this big black bear plush foot stool, and he would not tolerate it standing upright. He would contantly flip it over and grab it by the neck. We finally just got rid of it- maybe he was trying to point out it was tacky home decor?
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The key is you controlling their world, uncompromised and consistantly.
Yes Sir!:)
If you don't control theirs, they'll control yours!:D
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I have read in several 'standards' for Basenjis (or articles, I can't remember) that said, and I quote:
"A clear way to tell if a Basenji feels something is a threat or prey is when it circles around the object/person/animal. Usually this happens with animals in packs, but Basenjis do not have to be in a pack to circle around their prey. When they are circling, usually they are determining how to kill the threat or prey, and they will also do this to humans with whom they are unfamiliar."
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basenji (among others)I can't wait to see Tucker circling on of my friends. If they ask what he's doing, I'll simply tell them, "Oh nothing, he's just trying to figure out how to kill you…"
Those of you following this thread, I have another question, since it involved biting... Every morning, after our walk, I put Tuck outside and give him a Kong to occupy him while I leave. I prepare the kong with a load of "Stuff'n" (squeeze cheese whizz liver paste orpeanut butter flavored stuff) that I freeze overnight to keep him occupied for a little bit longer. Now I KNOW that he knows I'm the boss, but sometimes, when I toss the kong and miss his crate, I'll go to get it again and he's protecting it, as in, he acts like he'll bite me if I try to take it away (trust me, I know the signs when it comes to getting bitten myself!) for repositioning. (I feel that I need to explain this silly portion...if I leave the kong on the deck, he'll eventually roll it off the edge and then I have to pull a Jeff Corwin in the massive bushes below to get it back!) This happened just this morning and it only happens every so often, like maybe once a month. Because it's so infrequent, it always shocks me and my instant result is fear, simply stated, of getting bitten. So I have to step back and call him to me, pet him a bit, and then reach for the kong. I've read and seen vids that this means he DOESN'T acknowledge me as the 'pack leader'. I should be able to take it away from him at any time. Is this correct? Am I suffering from an illusion that I am the 'pack leader' when I really am not? It's this way with most everything he steals. I simply call him off, then pick it up. I never try to just take it away as a 'pack leader' should be able to. But he ALWAYS backs off when I verbally tell him to, dropping whatever it is, even if it's yummy people food.
I assume that I am 'managing' the situation correctly, but if I believe everthing I read and see, I'm still NOT the 'pack leader'. Is this the case? If so, should I work with him more on this, randomly taking those types of things away? When it comes to socks, thongs, tissue and toys, the 'take away' isn't a problem (I can just take it from him). Food and a tasty kong is another story.
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I have read in several 'standards' for Basenjis (or articles, I can't remember) that said, and I quote:
"A clear way to tell if a Basenji feels something is a threat or prey is when it circles around the object/person/animal. Usually this happens with animals in packs, but Basenjis do not have to be in a pack to circle around their prey. When they are circling, usually they are determining how to kill the threat or prey, and they will also do this to humans with whom they are unfamiliar."
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basenji (among others)I can't wait to see Tucker circling on of my friends. If they ask what he's doing, I'll simply tell them, "Oh nothing, he's just trying to figure out how to kill you…"
This cracked me up…If that is true about the circling, my dog Ruby wants to kill the kitchen table as she does laps around it all the time (only happens when people aren't sitting at it or eating). Just for fun sometimes, I join in on the lap and run around the table with her and then she stops and looks at me like "mom, you just ruined all my fun".
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As I am learning wikipedia is not God's word, just anybody who has an opinion proven or not- It's factually proven info
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Tucker may not view you as the ultimate decider of all things, and giver of all things good yet. He had a tough road, and I am sure it isn't easy for him to trust humans. But calling him over while you pick up an item that he is guarding is NOT showing him that you are subordinate to him. It is helping build trust. When you feel that 'uh, he might bite me' feeling, he is sending you signs that he is willing to protect this item that he views as his. The fact that he will come over, while you remove the item is a huge step in his progress. Keep doing that…but try this, call him over FIRST....then reach for the object, so you don't give him the opportunity to guard it.
I think it would help you understand your dog more if you gave up the "human must be dominant" theories, and tried to understand the relationship more as cooperation. You have to build Tucker's trust in you as the leader...leadership is earned (particularly with an adopted adult dog with issues) -- not demanded. Once he trusts that you will protect him and meet his needs, he won't feel the need to take on the world.
Again, another reference is "MINE" by Jean Donaldson. All about resource guarding in dogs. There are some really helpful exercises in this book.
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understand the relationship more as cooperation. You have to build Tucker's trust in you as the leader…leadership is earned (particularly with an adopted adult dog with issues) -- not demanded.
Those words should be carved in basenji training stone.
The problem is regular dog trainers do not understands that with basenji's. Everything with them is physical punishment (correction) or reward. That does not work with basenji's, at least in my experience.
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It's funny but I always felt ashamed of me being a poor dog owner, that my dog is a biter and is my fault (which could be true, but the more I think about it, he always was)
It's nice to realize many others here come across the same problem and just maybe it's not all my fault. I know that my dog's mother was a biter and nipped a judge and was dissmissed, never allowed to enter a ring again and bit a child who wandered into the yard, cornered the dog and had to be relocated sometime after we got him.
today a weight of guilt has been lifted off my shoulders. I had times when he bit my kids and I seriously thought of getting rid of him, but we ALL felt he was our family member and we do not give up on family. we just had to do what ever it takes to control his behavior.
These pictures of him guarding his blanket/mom from the other dog. It shows that no one's going to mess with an angry basenji
He really does not do it anymore even to the other dog, he has mellowed out a lot, that and our constant working on controlling his world. He's pretty much a big love bug now- but still I'm never letting down on the rules. It keeps him in his place.
He's a very happy & relaxed doggy in the last couple of years
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Those words should be carved in basenji training stone.
The problem is regular dog trainers do not understands that with basenji's. Everything with them is physical punishment (correction) or reward. That does not work with basenji's, at least in my experience.
Well…trainers run the gammut between really good...and really bad...just as with every occupation....it is an unregulated and uncertified field, and ANYBODY can call themselves a trainer, and charge whatever they want for their advice. And, there are really good trainers whose methods just aren't right for every dog. It is important for trainers to know how to deal with different types of dogs, and it is up the consumer to find a trainer that they feel comfortable with, and feel successful with.
The nice thing about positive reinforcement training is that there are virtually no dogs that don't respond well to it. You can't screw a dog up by using positive reinforcement training.
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P.S. That is one seriously scary dog pic! Beautiful dog though…
Note for budding dog behaviorists....see how you can see the white of his eye? We call that "whale-eye"..and it is a good sign that a dog is in serious protection/freak-out/guarding mode. A lot of times you can see it right BEFORE they snap. It is a good warning sign to back off RIGHT NOW!
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This him in play mode- but telling the other dog my toy! stay away. I can pet and rub him in that mode, it's the other dog he's telling to back off.
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I'm reading alote of posts/threads on here about basenji's biteing people and children. also how alote of owners put them away whether in a crate or room or behind a gate when company comes over. I'm kinda shocked is this the way most basenji's are !*? Is this because they are said to be a "wild" breed?
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@vstripe:
I'm kinda shocked is this the way most basenji's are !*? Is this because they are said to be a "wild" breed?
Ancient breed, intelligent and very independent.
I have one of six that we have to be careful with. In most cases the problem starts when the guest walks in already afraid. I've seen people walk in with the same dog, not afraid, know how to greet him and he is like a big baby. I've seen that same dog nip people from behind for not paying attention to him.
You could take Willy or Jasper and do what every you want with them.
Kids, especially if the dogs aren't used to children are another whole ballgame and require caution.
They're all a little different based on personality and what they're exposed to.
