My vet says my puppy is too aggressive

[Zande]

@jengosmonkey said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:

Nurturing to early is bad. Bad, bad, bad. Did I mention that it's bad? I won't say never do it, but I'm convinced that it's bad too early. What's too early? Still trying to figure that out. I'm leaning towards 1.5 to 2 yo, but I'm NOT a scientist or a vet. I just don't know.

Who are you nurturing ? I have long nurtured my Vets, taught them a great deal about the breed over the years and watched them grow into confident Basenji-philes, ready to take on any canine ailment my pack of Bs can design.

[JENGOSMonkey]

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[Pawla]

giira2121 - Pharaoh is absolutely adorable!

I definitely agree that you need to find a new vet with whom both you and your basenji are comfortable. I took my basenji to 3 different vets - they were all great with my basenji, but I connected with the third vet who is super thorough and communicative. The attitude of the vet staff is equally important.

What really, really helps (behaviorally) is to take my basenji on an extra long walk right before a vet visit. It makes a huge difference in behavior - he is so much more relaxed. Maybe it would help Pharaoh. Just be sure to check with your vet whether or not they will need urine or stool samples because after a long walk, getting samples will be difficult.

As for your pup biting/nipping, perhaps your husband is playing rougher?

A tired basenji is a good basenji.

[Kembe]

@jengosmonkey said
“Nurturing to early is bad. Bad, bad, bad. Did I mention that it's bad?”

This is a TYPO - right? Nurturing - you meant Neutering? 😝

[tanza]

@pawla - Totally agree, the office staff is MOST important along with the Vets themselves. I changed vets totally because of the office staff. As far as samples (stool/urine) your vet can supply you with containers and you can get them yourself before the visit.

[Zande]

@kembe Of course it was ! I just chose to take it literally because, for a fact, I HAVE nurtured my vets over the years !

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: Tongue in cheek, of course

[giira2121]

@pawla thank you so much on the compliment and advice. My husband plays with him without being rough but he nibbles, my husband does get serious with him and tells him no. He definitely doesnt treat him like a baby. Lol

[mikesull]

Hi - still not sure why neutering is “bad, bad, bad”? Understand if thats an opinion and thats cool but 100% of every dog owner i know has had their dog spayed/neutered. Seems the responsible thing to do as well?

[Zande]

@mikesull Too young is bad for the dog. You need to wait at least until hormonal and structural maturity. Best to wait, if you MUST do it at all, until they are at least three years old. But best not to neuter.

It is not difficult to take care he doesn't become a Dad unexpectedly. Over here dogs remain entire and we have almost no mixes at all.

[JENGOSMonkey]

@mikesull said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:

Hi - still not sure why neutering is “bad, bad, bad”? Understand if thats an opinion and thats cool but 100% of every dog owner i know has had their dog spayed/neutered. Seems the responsible thing to do as well?

I should have been more clear. Neutering TOO early is bad bad bad... IMO. From what I've learned it leads to weird things happening in males. For instance their legs can grown unusually long. Another way to put is that their bodies need the hormones to mature normally. Remove those hormones too early and the body gets confused. I'm not saying don't ever do it. I'm saying I'll never do it early again. I'm thinking no earlier than 1.5 to 2 yo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

[Zande]

@jengosmonkey said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:

no earlier than 1.5 to 2 yo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

No earlier, for sure. Best wait, if you MUST do it, until the animal is 3 at least.

[tanza]

@zande - As we have talked about, not the same in the US, sad to say. People do not want the responsibility be it a female or male. And the more that get dogs for "whoever" the more chances that they will breed them and have puppies. And then there are the people that want to breed "because their children should see the miracle of birth"... NOT

[eeeefarm]

@tanza, and also many breeders insist on their pups being neutered if they are not being shown. And often co-ownership if the dog is intact and showing. When I got Perry at 3 years old, he was intact, but I had to promise to send proof of neutering as a condition of having him.

[Zande]

@tanza I'm just pointing out that too early is NOT good for the dog.

Its such a shame that the mindset over there is so different to that over here. I have long since accepted that as fact, although with extreme reluctance.

But @JENGOSMonkey was saying not before 1.5 - 2 years. And that he didn't think that was 'too early'.

For the development of the dog, yes it IS too early. But it will happen, over and over again. Such a shame.

[tanza]

@eeeefarm - That is true because many breeders know that people do not want to be bothered with in-tact dogs, especially when they have children in the house.... Just pointing out reasons that many people have their pets spayed/neutered. And yes in the US it is a requirement from many breeders... differences between the US and Europe. But that does not mean spay/neuter at a totally inappropriate age.

[Pawla]

@giira2121

I think the biting/soiling himself is an extreme reaction to seeing a child 12 feet away! I've never heard of or seen such a thing happen. A fearful dog is a dangerous dog and your guy is just a little pup! I don't think he is aggressive - just fearful. If you were carrying him, that would explain the bite. An animal in fear or over excited will bite anything nearby (even a loved one). You need to build his confidence and control his attention. You use a sling (to carry him)? Don't. He needs to walk, explore and build confidence!

First, get yourself a light metal chain leash (not a heavy one).
Next, make sure he is wearing a collar and/or harness he cannot get out of - these guys can be like a houdini contortionist and you want to prevent his escape at all cost! If you have to use both a collar and a harness, do it. I recommend a martingale collar in addition to a harness. Use 2 leashes if you have to. Keep your eyes on him every second when he is on leash and you are outside. I keep my basenji in front of me - it's when he is behind me and starts to back up that he can get out of his collar/harness.
Next, desensitize him to whatever freaks him out. Go to a playground - stay far away and work your way closer SLOWLY and preferably with another dog who is older and very calm who can be a good example for your little guy. Or sign up for a puppy obedience class where there will be a couple of kids. Let the instructor know about the problem. Your pup will be distracted by the other pups and they will be a good example to show him there's no reason to melt down.

Always have treats to give to other people to give to Pharaoh so he will learn that strangers (big and little) are a good thing. Also, work with him on "Look at Me!" in a happy voice when you give him treats and put his food down - if you can get him to focus on you rather than whatever is "bothering" him, it could help in a scary situation.

You need to build Pharaoh's confidence up.

I support spaying and neutering. It can be kinder. My friend has a wonderful and well mannered Arabian stallion. I feel sorry for him that he can never be with other horses.

[tanza]

@pawla - I think you are responding to a different post?

[tanza]

@pawla - Pretty difficult to try and relate a horse stallion to an intact male dog? I came from horses and they are totally different then dogs...

[JENGOSMonkey]

So when I mentioned not neutering till 1.5 to 2 years, I based that on reading on multiple sites including AKCs that sexual maturity occurs between 6 to 9 mo, and that most breeds (males) are full grown by 12 mo. Large breeds by 24 mo. They seem to agree that full grown means growth plates have closed. Based on that, the range I gave would be generous for a Besenji.

[elbrant]

@tanza said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:

@pawla - I think you are responding to a different post?

I had the same thought, however, the post that I this response reminded me of has been deleted (by the author). This response, I think, should have gone to: @yahtzee92