Sorry if this is repetative- housebreaking

Basenji Training
Log in to reply
  • DexterDexD

    Now I'm worried!! Fanconi? How can you tell that they are brother and sister??? Is there anything else regarding that issue that I should be concerned with?

    Megan & Dexter (A Cajun pup!) ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    0
  • Patty MP

    @DexterDex:

    Now I'm worried!! Fanconi? How can you tell that they are brother and sister??? Is there anything else regarding that issue that I should be concerned with?

    OK, deep breath… relax... I don't know any more than you do... facts are facts. I think you should research here:

    http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/

    Whatever you find out… and again, I'm a dog owner, not a breeder, so I would be upset if I found in-breeding too! The little wrinkled wonderful bundle of joy is supposed to be perfect, and he is expecting you (and fiance) to teach him what life is about. Dexter didn't read AKC books. He doesn't know what fanconi is, or isn't. And if you find out that he has three kidneys instead of two... will you put him down? (NO!)...

    Again, deep breath. He's learning the pee'ing rules... and you are too, lol!

    Reference moving the kennel around... if it's OK for him to be out of the crate at one time (versus the other), then can I suggest a big pillow/dog bed in that strategic location? :)

    It's encouraging to read about your progress... he will be fine!!! :) :)

    "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

    ~George Bernard Shaw

    0
  • Patty MP

    @tanza:

    Sorry to say but your puppy came from a less then responsible breeder, the sire and dam are fulll brother and sister, while accidents happen, this fact should have been made very clear to you. There can be health concerns with a breeding with littermates. I would highly recommend that you do the DNA test for Fanconi asap… that way you know the status.

    Pat, how did you look this up? Do you know the breeder, or is there a database that you have access to? What type of health concerns can happen if the parents are full brother and sister?

    The zandebasenji database has two names as females, or am I reading it wrong?:confused::confused:
    Not an exact match:
    Congo Matadi's Mameluke Of Lazy K
    Brindle & White
    F
    HP274753/01 USA
    25 Dec 2006

    and

    Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe
    F
    HP274753/02 USA
    25 Dec 2006

    "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

    ~George Bernard Shaw

    0
  • DexterDexD

    Thanks Patty M for the link and for encouraging me to stay calm. I also looked up the names on the link that you posted, and saw the same as you- not an exact match. What does this mean that the actual name is not in the database? I really know nothing about this topic, unfortunately. We will be bringing Dex to the vet and I will mention the fanconi issue; I don't know if that is something that they would normally test for? I will try to stay calm till then. sigh I'm SO glad to have found this site! :)

    Megan & Dexter (A Cajun pup!) ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    0
  • tanzaT

    @DexterDex:

    We will be bringing Dex to the vet and I will mention the fanconi issue; I don't know if that is something that they would normally test for? I will try to stay calm till then. sigh I'm SO glad to have found this site! :)

    VETS do not do the test for Fanconi, it is done with a Cheek Swab that you order yourself. You will find that many Vets don't even know what Fanconi is… or how it is treated. You really should read up at www.basenjihealth.org about health concerns in our breed.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

    0
  • tanzaT

    @Patty:

    Pat, how did you look this up? Do you know the breeder, or is there a database that you have access to? What type of health concerns can happen if the parents are full brother and sister?

    The zandebasenji database has two names as females, or am I reading it wrong?:confused::confused:
    Not an exact match:
    Congo Matadi's Mameluke Of Lazy K
    Brindle & White
    F
    HP274753/01 USA
    25 Dec 2006

    and

    Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe
    F
    HP274753/02 USA
    25 Dec 2006

    You know, I didn't even notice that both were bitches…

    I wonder if the sire could be Chief Nala Rondo of Lazy K? On Sally's site it shows Mameluke of Lazy K being bred in 2008... But regardless I am willing to bet that they are closely inbred... with no health testing done on anything.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

    0
  • lvossL

    Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K, HP32581902, Dec 13, 2008, Br/W, Male

    He is the nephew of the bitch he was bred to, to produce your puppy.

    0
  • tanzaT

    @lvoss:

    Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K, HP32581902, Dec 13, 2008, Br/W, Male

    He is the nephew of the bitch he was bred to, to produce your puppy.

    So, not in Sally's database…. Sire of the above Chief Nala Rondo of Lazy K and dam of the above is Congo Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K.

    And curious? Where is the Brindle color coming from? There are dogs in the pedigrees that have produced Fanconi. This is why any dogs that would be bred should be tested first.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

    0
  • DexterDexD

    I read the health information from the link that was provided as well as some from others as soon as fanconi was mentioned. My fiance and I were ignorant in our search for a breeder and for Dexter, an issue that I'm sure many people have unfortunately. We were told that if a breeder has a license and is registered with the AKC that they must be good enough, and I see that this is not true. I was nervous and mentioned to my fiance several times that I didn't know how a breeder should act, but that I was unsure of the fat that Dex's breeder didn't ask us any questions other than "Will you be breeding him?", but as I said, we were ignorant, and we did not know what to expect or do. I hope no one will look down on us for that, and all I can say is that I will do what I can for him and that now I know better.

    Megan & Dexter (A Cajun pup!) ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    0
  • SchouiffyS

    It's wonderful you found the site. Don't beat yourself up about the puppy, you have him now - and you will know better for next time because if you have one Basenji you will want two. We will be happy to help in all ways that we can. =)

    Lauren - Lycia's Mum

    Wellington, New Zealand

    _

    I know they say dogs don't understand spite… but I swear Basenjis do._

    0
  • KipawaK

    I agree with Shouiffy - don't beat yourself up now. Just make a pact with yourself that you will do research on anything in the future to do with Dexter.

    I would send away for the cheek swab test. Knowing your dog's health is better than not knowing. If Dexter tests positive, we are all here to help support you and Dexter.

    Fran Harder, BAB

    With Barney in my heart

    0
  • tanzaT

    @DexterDex:

    I read the health information from the link that was provided as well as some from others as soon as fanconi was mentioned. My fiance and I were ignorant in our search for a breeder and for Dexter, an issue that I'm sure many people have unfortunately. We were told that if a breeder has a license and is registered with the AKC that they must be good enough, and I see that this is not true. I was nervous and mentioned to my fiance several times that I didn't know how a breeder should act, but that I was unsure of the fat that Dex's breeder didn't ask us any questions other than "Will you be breeding him?", but as I said, we were ignorant, and we did not know what to expect or do. I hope no one will look down on us for that, and all I can say is that I will do what I can for him and that now I know better.

    As already said, what is done is done… you can now take the time to learn about how to find a responsible breeder and you can help to educate anyone you know that buying a puppy is more then just doing an internet search.... or asking the price.

    As noted, you should do the Fanconi test for your own piece of mind... well worth the 65.00.

    And here is a link to "how to screen breeders" that you can learn from along with helping to teach others.

    http://www.tanzabasenjis.net/selectbreeder.html

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

    0
  • curlytailsC
    First Basenji's

    Hi Dexter, and welcome to the forum.

    Agreed that what's done is done – but a mistake made in ignorance probably won't be repeated, once you know. I've been there/done that too, joining a pet forum after my partner and I got our first dog, our Shiba Inu, from an unethical source. And, well, learning what we did, and learning to grow up with our little hellion, changed our life.

    If you're in it for the long haul, this forum will help you. =)

    (That said, can I just make a quick gripe that it drives me batty that this breeder can't even spell Shiba Inu properly on her website?! "Sheba Ina" ...?! I know in the bigger scheme of things, there are greater offenses, but this is the kind of thing I would expect a stranger on the street to call this breed that I also care about, NOT someone who claims to know what they're doing as a "breeder"!)

    M.C. w/ Bowdu (shiba inu) and Bowpi (basenji)

    0
  • P

    I'm sure that now you have all this information you'll feel much happier. It's not Dexter's fault nor yours of course - you did what you thought was right. I think that we are luckier here because there are few breeders and mostly we know them all and so can help anyone enquiring about puppies and point them in the right direction.

    It's easy to take a swab for the linked marker test for Fanconi Syndrome and not too expensive so you'll be able to get that done soon, I hope. I also hope that the result is ok.

    We used to have a breeder here who if asked for a puppy (even over the phone) would say ok just send a deposit. These people exist, I'm afraid. I'm sure that if in future you decide you'll get another puppy you're forewarned.

    Love and enjoy Dexter - he's still your beautiful boy whatever his breeding.

    0
  • agilebasenjiA

    Welcome Dexter's family! You have your new puppy and love him, so don't dwell on what you should have done in the past. And the good news is that you'll know better for your next basenji.

    I'd also suggest starting to clicker train your pup. It's lots of fun and engages the little badsenji's brain. I like Karen Pryor's books and in my town they can be found at the library.

    0
  • DexterDexD

    I will be sending of for the swab test soon, and I will definitely know how to go about things the next time we look for a breeder/puppy. I will also advise anyone I know who decides to get a puppy what I learned. I've definitely been having so much fun with Dex, I'm already so attached to him :)
    I'll look into the clicker training, thank you for the suggestion! :)

    Megan & Dexter (A Cajun pup!) ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    0
  • Patty MP

    When we got our first basenji, Lucy, she was only 8 weeks old, and she was willing to be subservient if she did something wrong… we'd say, "what did you do?" and she would roll over on her back, show us her belly, and smile (I swear her little incisor tooth would stick out!)... and we would think, "awwe, she is too dang cute to reprimand!!!"

    At that point, we would say, "Lucy! What did you do????" She would get off of her back, give a little shake, and ROO her confession!!!

    Does Dexter Roo? :)

    "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

    ~George Bernard Shaw

    0
  • DexterDexD

    Awww how sweet! :) Ha! When I ask Dex what he did wrong, he gives me an example and shows me again first hand lol. Well, to be honest, I've seen people say that their dogs/pups "roo" or "baroo" and maybe a few other sounds, but I don't know exactly. Lol.
    I don't know the difference between regular puppy noises, maybe? >.<

    Megan & Dexter (A Cajun pup!) ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    0

Suggested Topics

  • B

    basenjis housebreaking bea rafiki and dixie basenjis

    Basenji Training
    3
    0 Votes
    3 Posts
    3k Views
    B
    yes . i just use the cat box with the dog litter you can buy in the pet supply from chewy.com thank you for the info
  • M

    Housebreaking my 8 week old

    Basenji Training
    1
    0 Votes
    1 Posts
    1k Views
    No one has replied
  • Lisa67L

    How does litterbox training fit into housebreaking?

    Basenji Training
    4
    0 Votes
    4 Posts
    2k Views
    tanzaT
    @Lisa67: I have a 10 week old puppy that I'm crate training. She's doing pretty well but does have accidents because, as I mentioned in a previous post, no one in my family watches her as closely as they should when I'm at work. Fortunately, I work nights 7pm-7am (3 night/week) so she's asleep most of the time that I'm gone. She does make it outside the vast majority of the time. When she does go in the house she usually goes on my older dog's bed. I guess because it's absorbant. So, I see a lot of talk here about litterboxes. I have never heard of litterbox training a dog and I'm curious how it works. I don't really like the idea of the her peeing or pooing in the house at all, but since I'm having this problem I think its better than letting her go on the dog bed. Will it slow down the housebreaking at all? Thanks!!! If she is peeing on your other dogs bed, I would first look at the reason being she is wanting to be dominate over the other day and "marking" the bed. Consider this: I sent a puppy home with an experienced Basenji person (except it had been quite a while since they had a puppy around)… they had a 10yr old son, Stephen. The second night the puppy (Crystal) got on his bed and peed.... They called me cause they thought that was pretty funny, I said, she is marking his bed, she wants to climb the social ladder and be above him. They didn't believe me.... After she did it 4 more times, for 4 nights in a row, up went the gate so that she couldn't get in that room.... and very, very few times did she ever have an accident in the house She was 9wks when they took her home.
  • K

    Nala needs help housebreaking.

    Basenji Training
    9
    0 Votes
    9 Posts
    3k Views
    RivermoonR
    While it's sometimes easier to hope that the older dogs will teach the little one, that doesn't always happen. While I had it work with Apache, it didn't with Zuni. When I was house training Zuni I would leash her up and take her out into the yard and just wait until she went, then praise and treat. There were many times she wouldn't move, so we just stood there until she moved and went or went where she was. It can be a real pain, especially in the middle of the night…but that doesn't last forever. Any accidents in the house were just cleaned up and not acknowledged. When we lived in the city, the dogs did prefer to go while on walks, but would, if they REALLY needed to go, go out into the yard.
  • M

    Housebreaking issues

    Basenji Training
    17
    0 Votes
    17 Posts
    5k Views
    tanzaT
    I have always recommended that pups be carried from the crate to their "potty" place… at 12 to 16 wks, especially after waking up, there is no way they are going to walk all the way to a door, outside and onto the grass to pee... they just can't hold it that long. For us, I didn't care if they peed on the concrete, in fact 3 of my girls go on the concrete... one on the grass and my one boy mostly on the grass. And for cleaning up, really vinegar and water works as good if not better then all the store bought ones I have had over the years, and believe me, I have tried them all... Works great on concrete, tile, pergo, carpets....
  • R

    How can i housebreak my basenji

    Basenji Training
    4
    0 Votes
    4 Posts
    3k Views
    M
    I got my pup when he was 7 months and he was sort of house broken. When I took him to the vet I found out that part of his house breaking issues was that he had a bladder infection. If you continually have problems house breaking (like very frequent urination or peeing in the crate) you may want to have your vet test for a bladder infection just to make sure. Another problem I discovered was that he didn't know how to tell me he had to pee. I hung bells on the door and by having him ring them every time we went out I taught him to tell me when has to pee. It has been great. Some times he rings them just to go out and play, but mostly he rings them when he really has to go out. Now the only "accidents" he's had is when I ignore the bells b/c I am busy. (he literally peed all over the living room the other night because I ignored him) One other suggestion, make sure you use an enzyme cleaner on any "accident" spots. These really eat away the reminants of the feces/pee so that your b will not recognize the area as an ok place to go to the bathroom Other helpful tips I got was to be sure you use the same door when you take your b out and take it to the same part of the yard. Give your b LOTS of praise for going outside (and a treat if it is food motivated).