A+ show prospect wanted with parents a+ hips
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  • My co-owner on a puppy I bred really wants to own or co-own a top quality Fanconi clear show prospect male to hopefully special and breed later on if everything turns out A+. She wants a tri, brindle or black. Sorry we love reds but we have red females. We would like to take this pup/dog to the Canadian Nationals this summer. So we are looking for A+. Parents must have excellent hips (one of them could have good, that's fine) and come from healthy stock all the way around. We are willing to look all around the world for an individual who posesses superior health genes, conformation and temperament.

    We also are looking for an exquisite top line and a lot of shelf and second thigh so if you know of anyone that might have a show quality pup available of that style of dog please let me know. Would be willing to take pup or adult and would be willing to share.

    I have been looking all over the place for breeders who have excellent hips and A+ everything but it is very hard to find an available pup by now. I do realise most pups are spoken for by now however, if someone kept a show prospect they might be willing to share, it might work out.

    I am putting the word out just in case someone is hiding something somewhere on this planet.

    The dog/pup would live with 2 females and that's it for the rest of his life. My co-owner even lets them cuddle-up at night in her bed. He would be shown by us together. Hopefully specialed. She is located in Montreal, Canada but again we are willing to import worldwide.:rolleyes:

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  • You say you have other dogs… care to share their registered names? You were asked this before, on the "Can anyone recommend" thread, yet never responded.

    Not sure why you wouldn't research blood lines, decide on a few breeders, have your name on a list and wait to get the line you want.

    And why is "excellent" hips so critical? Good and even fair have as good of chance of having clear hip pups as long as their LITTER MATES are also mostly clear. Are your bitches clear? You cannot, you know, compensate for bad hips with good ones.

    I am also curious that you said new, not quite a year ago, when you posted you had one and a new litter. Is the 2nd one of those pups?
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  • @DebraDownSouth:

    You say you have other dogs… care to share their registered names? You were asked this before, on the "Can anyone recommend" thread, yet never responded.

    Not sure why you wouldn't research blood lines, decide on a few breeders, have your name on a list and wait to get the line you want.

    And why is "excellent" hips so critical? Good and even fair have as good of chance of having clear hip pups as long as their LITTER MATES are also mostly clear. Are your bitches clear? You cannot, you know, compensate for bad hips with good ones.

    I am also curious that you said new, not quite a year ago, when you posted you had one and a new litter. Is the 2nd one of those pups?
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    I have my WW bitch Ahmahr Nahr Just Call Me Madam and 4 of her daughters. One from last year with WW Ahmahr Nahr Jake Jamuel To Mibre. 3 from this year with BISS BIS Sonbar Sonic Shockwave RA. All my girls are fanconi clear. I would prefer to stay with a clear male (just personal preference).

    I want excellent hips because Madam is fair so it is very important to me to go towards producing excellent hips in the future. I want to strive to find a stud prospect who will come from stock that is A+ healthwise all around so I can improve on what I have. I want to go towards producing A+ everything, not just good if I can help it. There is nothing wrong with good. Good is great!!!! I just want to stick to A+ instead of A if I can help it. I do realise it is hard to find but I want to give it a try. If I don't find anything I will just convince her to go the the excellent all around male I found.

    I understand about going on a waiting list. I am doing my personal research don't worry and I am not in a rush. I pretty much already found a stud to use in the near future that is A+ all around. I am still keeping my eyes open though to all possible options.

    However my co-owner wants to have a male at her house because she does not like to send her females out anywhere. So I thought I would help her find something nice to hold-on to. If it is nice enough I might use it in the future. But I am doing this mostly for her right now.

    She keeps finding her own but they are not of the quality she should get so I am trying to knock some sense into her and tell her to waite and let me help her find something REALLY nice all around. I am also trying to prevent her from making a mistake and buy something she might regret.

    So again I know all about the fact that going on a waiting list is a great thing but I thought I might try to see if anyone from the global village might have something promissing first. If you don't try you will never know.

    Health and type is more important to me than a specific bloodline at this point. I don't mind outcrossing to something of a certain type I am trying to set.

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  • @Sanda:

    I have my WW bitch Ahmahr Nahr Just Call Me Madam and 4 of her daughters. One from last year with WW Ahmahr Nahr Jake Jamuel To Mibre. 3 from this year with BISS BIS Sonbar Sonic Shockwave RA. All my girls are fanconi clear. I would prefer to stay with a clear male (just personal preference).

    I want excellent hips because Madam is fair so it is very important to me to go towards producing excellent hips in the future. I want to strive to find a stud prospect who will come from stock that is A+ healthwise all around so I can improve on what I have. I want to go towards producing A+ everything, not just good if I can help it. There is nothing wrong with good. Good is great!!!! I just want to stick to A+ instead of A if I can help it. I do realise it is hard to find but I want to give it a try. If I don't find anything I will just convince her to go the the excellent all around male I found.

    I understand about going on a waiting list. I am doing my personal research don't worry and I am not in a rush. I pretty much already found a stud to use in the near future that is A+ all around. I am still keeping my eyes open though to all possible options.

    However my co-owner wants to have a male at her house because she does not like to send her females out anywhere. So I thought I would help her find something nice to hold-on to. If it is nice enough I might use it in the future. But I am doing this mostly for her right now.

    She keeps finding her own but they are not of the quality she should get so I am trying to knock some sense into her and tell her to waite and let me help her find something REALLY nice all around. I am also trying to prevent her from making a mistake and buy something she might regret.

    So again I know all about the fact that going on a waiting list is a great thing but I thought I might try to see if anyone from the global village might have something promissing first. If you don't try you will never know.

    Health and type is more important to me than a specific bloodline at this point. I don't mind outcrossing to something of a certain type I am trying to set.

    I commend your desire to have A+ health for your dogs, but I'm not sure if the focus should be so much on whether the stud you use is rated Excellent if you want to get a better chance of good hips in breeding a Fair-rated bitch. From some discussions I've heard around breeding philosophy, the vertical pedigree is also important to consider, not just the horizontal. What are her sibs hip ratings? Using a stud that has a Good hip rating with a decent number of full/half sibs with good/excellent ratings would likely provide better odds for getting good hips than an Excellent rated dog that has full/half sibs with more fair/good ratings. Granted, it is probably harder to get vertical pedigree data but it is definitely important to consider.

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  • Totally correct Nemo…. the vertical pedigree is way more important......

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  • I would also be very concerned about someone looking to buy a stud dog to use on their bitches because they are unwilling to travel to a stud dog. It is bad for the breed as a whole to have lots of puppies produced with the same or similar pedigree. It is also not good breeding practice to use a stud out of convenience rather than because he is a good match for the bitch. Since it sounds like both the girls in this home are closely related, breeding them both to the same stud doesn't really help move a breeding program forward, it just makes for convenient production of puppies.

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    This is all good advice…

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  • @Nemo:

    I commend your desire to have A+ health for your dogs, but I'm not sure if the focus should be so much on whether the stud you use is rated Excellent if you want to get a better chance of good hips in breeding a Fair-rated bitch. From some discussions I've heard around breeding philosophy, the vertical pedigree is also important to consider, not just the horizontal. What are her sibs hip ratings? Using a stud that has a Good hip rating with a decent number of full/half sibs with good/excellent ratings would likely provide better odds for getting good hips than an Excellent rated dog that has full/half sibs with more fair/good ratings. Granted, it is probably harder to get vertical pedigree data but it is definitely important to consider.

    Yes I agree and I am looking into this. I did mention I was looking for relatives with good or excellent hips. Yes I do understand this. I hope someone out there might have some recomendations.

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  • @tanza:

    Totally correct Nemo…. the vertical pedigree is way more important......

    I agree with you the most relatives who have A+ health the better.

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  • @lvoss:

    I would also be very concerned about someone looking to buy a stud dog to use on their bitches because they are unwilling to travel to a stud dog. It is bad for the breed as a whole to have lots of puppies produced with the same or similar pedigree. It is also not good breeding practice to use a stud out of convenience rather than because he is a good match for the bitch. Since it sounds like both the girls in this home are closely related, breeding them both to the same stud doesn't really help move a breeding program forward, it just makes for convenient production of puppies.

    She just has separation anxiety and is afraid to let her girls go. She is not a bad person. This person has a big heart and cares about her dogs. She will find the RIGHT stud and it will be the healthiest best quality we can find and it will match towards improvement and betterment before anything is done. She is NOT planing to produce many puppies. Very very small scale. Over time she might get used to the idea of sending the bitch out. But for now she just has separation issues.

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  • She could use AI to breed to a stud dog which is not geographically close to her. That way she would have a much larger range of options to choose from and wouldn't have to travel.

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  • I don't send my bitches… if I can use frozen or fresh that is the way to go, if within reasonable driving, I take them... (that includes up to but not limited to 10 to 12 hours away.

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  • @Nemo:

    She could use AI to breed to a stud dog which is not geographically close to her. That way she would have a much larger range of options to choose from and wouldn't have to travel.

    Yes actually I did think about that. It is a great idea. There were a few studs I was personally interested in, though and they were not available for shipped seemen but eventually more will become available. Great option though.

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  • Sanda,
    Have you asked the breeder/breeders of the dogs you started with for recommendations? A breeder usually knows what would cross well with your animal and should be able to help you make a stud selection.

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