Here is what the insert for Metacam Oral Suspension says.
The most common side effects reported in field studies were vomiting and soft stool/diarrhea. These are usually mild, but may be serious. If side effects occur, pet owners should halt therapy and contact their veterinarian.
So the product recommendation is to halt the medication.
I am so happy that Otis is doing well this morning other than the diarrhea. Again I would look that med up on internet and look at side effects. However it may not be the med could be just the upset to isside of the body from yesterday. You could feed him like we did our chidlren when they were babies and they got diarrhea. Dry toast, Rice, Bananas and I would give hime baby food bananas. Jaycee loves baby food bananas but will not touch a real banana. That might help a little. Let us know if you try it and it helps any at all.
Andrea thank you for looking at the site and I would believe you would not use them since you have your own training business. I did not know that.
We do not believe or use pushiment on our aniamls our kids anything if anything we are more go easy than most. Our daughter almost died at birth and she is our first born when something like that happens in your life you look at things in a new light and way from then on.
I do think that this is some what like your postive reinforcement. I know we have only had a B since March but we could see frrom the very first day she had a way and mind of her own. We never want to break her spirt we like her way just way she is just wanted her safe. After owning Akita's and Shiba's they can and are very much do it my way also just not as crazy. We love her style.
Thank you again for looking and being kind about it. Wish you lived closer you could have trained Jaycee and us. I am learning we have to train her correct way not just anyway so we are training also. Have a nice day.
Nix the invisible fence - with any dog with a strong prey drive - they would be through it so fast on the trail of a bunny or squirrel that they would not even hit the tone or shock.
You are fortunate that Otis is living to tell about it - I have lost 2 basenjis to cars - (well actually one to the UPS truck) in the almost 30 years that I've been breeding. The first because - getting my B from exactly where you should not - no one ever said anything about them being runners. The second - a neighbor was over and just didn't close the door fast enough.
I hope that he makes a full recovery.
Ivoss, I did put a call in to the vet and I am waiting for them to call me back. Thanks for the info though..
Thank you for all the nice words guys, he is doing well, seems a little sore like I said , but that is to be expected. He wants to run and play, but I have "strict" orders" to not let him get overly actice (yeah right), for 5-7 days..I might haveto tie him down for that to happen..just kidding. My daughter is real shook up, but is glad she saw it for her to understand how cars always wins the fight with kids and animals, meaning, thankfully Otis is recovering and nothing severe happened..
So sorry to hear about Otis and am so glad he is ok, if a little sore and stiff. It is a terrible thing to witness. My son saw our Basenji hit by a car, we were desperately chasing him before he got to the road. James voice was the last thing he heard as he was hit and after he was reluctant to go out for a walk with james.
He recovered realy well and i am sure Otis will too.
I just got a call back from the ER vet and he said diarrhea is not common with Metacam, unlike what I heard on this thread..hmm, but that the diarrhea is likely due to the stress/fear he encountered and therefor his system is unbalalnced. I will probably give him one more dose this evening and see how he does on it. He just pooped and it is getting firmer, but has some mucus around parts of it…sorry about the nasty description. I am wanting to go by the store and pick up some yoghurt for him, should I get natural full fat or lowfat?
I am so sorry that Otis was hit by a car, thank goodness he is recovering well.
I have had Bs on Metacam and presently I have a 15 1/2 year old foster on it. I have not had any problems with it and I have Fanconi affecteds on it. If one is using it long term, I would get blood tests done first to check kidney and liver values. My 15 1/2 year old and the Fanconi affecteds get blood tests at least twice a year.
I just got a call back from the ER vet and he said diarrhea is not common with Metacam, unlike what I heard on this thread..hmm, but that the diarrhea is likely due to the stress/fear he encountered and therefor his system is unbalalnced. I will probably give him one more dose this evening and see how he does on it. He just pooped and it is getting firmer, but has some mucus around parts of it…sorry about the nasty description. I am wanting to go by the store and pick up some yoghurt for him, should I get natural full fat or lowfat?
His diarrhea could also be from the accident itself and the stress it caused him. I would put him on boiled hamberger or turkey (I usually use Turkey), rice and non fat cottage cheese for a day or two… and it will help even if it is from the meds...
I did go ahead and gave him one more dose about an hour ago, he just pooped after dinner and it looked normal again, so we will see if tomorrow poop is runny, if not great.
Pat, That is exactly what the vet said was more than likely the culprit, and it makes sense..poor baby.
Sorry to hear about Otis - I lost my first basenji to a car so I know how you felt.
If you can't fence your yard then maybe you could buy 2 or 3 exercise pens and hook them together (one usually is not big enough for a serious romp with several dogs). It would be expensive (typically cost $70 for one) but way cheaper than a yard fence. And you could always take it/them with you wherever you go.
Wizard,
That might be an option, I never thought of that,thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Best wishes to Otis and you. I hope he gets over it quickly and learns from the experience. But little hope of this with a Basenji, my last Basenji Meg was run over twice in her life and never seemed to acquire a fear of cars!
You are right, he probably did not learn not to run across streets again, sadly, so no front yeard play for the dogs, until fence or something like that can be put up..
We just got back from out regular vet, and Otis looks great..whew.
I'm sorry to hear about Otis, but very relieved to hear that he is doing okay and that he made it though this traumatic experience just fine.
One thing that you could do for both of them for playing in the front yard is get harness for them and them put training leads on them that way there is a long lead on them to just drag around and it's not attached to anything but you can snatch it up or step on it when the time arises. They are both small so doing this wouldn't hurt them or you; and having them on the harness prevents injury to their necks if they do a hard jolting stop. I do this with my boy and my foster too for training (yes with basenjis kinda off leash) and if they get a idea to go off on their own I am able to retrieve the offender.
These are the kind I use, they are rounded so they don't pick up yard/park/trail debris as easy as the second one I'm going to show you. Also with this exact variety if your wayward basenji does what all naughty basenjis do and chew it. It's easy to repair with the rope, a good knife and a lighter. And you'll never know the difference (except it's a few inches shorter LOL). I find it's also not as fast to chew through as the second one too. But then I don't suggest them for tie outs either, only as drag lines/training lines
This is what kind I got,
http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/morrco_2057_4205673
This is the second variety I menthioned above, you can get ones like these at Petsmart/Petco, they are not bad, but if chewed will snap easy (they can be tied back together and it will hold up just fine again then though, just looks ragged LOL)
Here they are on this site, I just can't find them on the Petsmart/Petco pages, but I know they have them in the 15 or 20 foot length
http://www.morrco.com/trainingleads1.html
Wow, that is an awesome idea, at lest for now until we get a fence put up…which will take while, since my hubby is not on the same page as I am, as far as fence being put up..Thanks, I will check into the ones you first posted, they come across as less of a risk to give you calf/legburns, if you know what I mean..LOL
I would never trust an invisable fence… While they might work 90% of the time... it would be the 10% that is the problems. And they do not keep critters or people out of your yard... Most Basenjis that I know would gladly run through the pain of the shock if on the chase... period... It is the chase that gets their attention, not the thought of "hey I am going to get shocked".
IMO, the only safe way to have a dog in an unfenced area is on a leash, period. It is not worth taking the chance to have any dog run into the street.... There was someone else on the Forums a long while back that used to let their B loose cause they lived on a road that had only a few cars a day... Took only that one car, that one day.. IMO best to keep them on a leash
When Miranda and I joined this forum, we were cautioned from day one by experienced Basenji owners to never, ever, allow our Basenji to run free in an unfenced area. I am glad we were cautioned and heeded this advice. We were given this advice because the the growing number of Basenji's being hit by cars. As we all know the breed is very smart, but once they get focused on something and chase after it, all bets are off.
Jason and Miranda
When we play in our front yard, we are out there as a whole family, the dogs, my hubby and I and our 2 kids. We have been doing this with all of our dogs for over 5 years. Otis has never chased anything past the ditch on our side and if it wasn't for me running after Luna our schnauzer.yorkie mix( she was chasing a squirrel), he probably wouldn't have gotten hit. We made it over to the other side of the road, I picked Luna up, and saw 1 car in the bottom of our street, 1+ blocks away. I grabbed Otis by his collar and before I knew what happened he pulled loose and started running back across the street to go home. The car was now about 25yards away, so I stepped into the street and started waving my hands and scream for him to slow down..he didn't and hit Otis with his frontbumper. Otis went flying into the air and landed on the street, but by this time the car was over him and before I even had a chance to see the licenseplate, the car drove off…he never even stopped, but the sound was so loud, my neighbours came out wondering what that was..meanwhile Otis is now running B-500 style through our yard frantically looking for our door, but he kept on missing it in his hysteria, poor dog. He finally saw my daughter by the back gate leading into our back yard, and there he kept on running b-500 going balistic. I had to physically pick him up, for him to calm down. All this happened so fast yet so slow like in slow motion, surreal, all while I was screaming at the top of my lungs..."you ran over my dog you ---", "you just hit a living creature.."..maybe it is no wonder the guy didn't stop, I probably looked like I had murder in my eyes..I couldn't believe it. He didn't stop when clearly his car bumped something and he saw me out there with one dog in my arms and the other, just a few seconds before, I had in my hands..? Like I said we do this every day (unless the weather is bad) and have for years, with Otis we have only done it since we got him about a month and a half ago. My poor daughter is blaming herself since it was her dog that ran after the squirrel, but needless to say nowone is to blame except maybe me..for taking it for granted...the things we do..it was a quiet saturday afternoon, in blistering 98 degree heat, no one was out, except us and that one silver Ford Taurus. Now we won't play outside anymore..in our backyard yes, but it is smaller, and more things in the way for Otis to really gun it, but that is OK.
Today Otis had a good day, he was checked out by our vet and he passed with flying colors. His obedience training is a whole other story..lets just say we need to work on it..LOL
As they say… it only takes one time.....
