@lawrence-chow But surely the breeder paid for the vet to make sure he/she was selling a healthy puppy ?
Good news and a completely new one on me, that just one puppy in a litter should be so affected.
If Otis' parents have been Fanconi tested…
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Ro-Dan's Cool Dazzle of Silk is the dam of a dog auction rescue I rescued in February 2001, MTF Dazzle of Silk. MTF Dazzle of Silk, call name Dazzle, was hit and killed by a car soon after adoption.
I am surprised to see that this dog had a litter at almost 9 years of age and I found this on the internet:
Dazzle ~ Basenji ~ Female ~ 10 yrs ~ Registered AKC/APRI~
$FREE ($50 extra for papers)I've been a good mama for many years and now am looking for a new family. I am a rescue and have been an inside dog at one time, but it has been a while. I am very smart and love attention. I need to be the only female dog in my home.
Why is a 10 year old B an outside dog? Because she is a former commercial breeding dog who according to these people is old and used up!
The odd/strange registration number is the APRI register. I believe my rescue Dazzle may also have been APRI registered in addition to AKC. This registry is popular with the commercial breeders in the midwest but now they use just about any register, ACA, UABR, CKC-Continental Kennel Club. APRI sets up a booth at every auction at a specific dog auction house in MO. There is also a new registry for the Amish commercial breeders in OH.
Here are some of the reasons that the dogs are not AKC registered. Some of the dogs are sold as breeding dogs, either via an auction or privately, and some are already non AKC registered and cannot be AKC registered, some are owned and/or sold by breeders who are AKC suspended, and some breeders dislike the AKC and in the past said that the AKC DNA test for frequently bred sires was too expensive. These idiots did not know the rule as the test was/is $40. AKC registered dogs must be microchipped to be sold at the dog auctions and in the early days some of these dogs were not microchipped so could not be sold as AKC registered. I also saw some AKC pregnant Bs sold at an auction and I do not think any of these future pups could be AKC registered since the owners did not know who the sires were.
Ro-Dan's is Rosalie and Dan Elliott from MO, were USDA licensed commercial breeders. I had thought they had gotten out of breeding Bs but a few years ago I heard they still were.
MTF s/b TMF is Terri Fitzpatrick from OK, is a USDA licensed commercial breeder. She still sells dogs at the auctions but is no longer breeding Bs.
A USDA licensed commerical breeder/broker is licensed to breed and/or broker for the petstores. With the age of the internet, many of these breeders/brokers now will sell their pups on the internet. Some will sell to brokers first and then sell the leftover pups on the internet and some of these pups could be broker rejects with health issues such as luxating patellas, heart murmurs, etc.! The remaining unsold pups will often be sold as breeding dogs to other breeders and/or at the dog auctions.
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Wow, that is a lot of information. What does this mean for my Otis?
Basenjimamma
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I was just giving you some background information regarding the relatives of your dogs.
What I do find interesting is that the sire and dam of your dog are the only dogs out of their litters that are AKC registered. Probably all the others are APRI registered.
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Thanks for the info, I too find that pretty interesting.
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Tanza ,
I am hoping you will read this as I have one more question/comment. I found some other numbers for some of Otis' grandparents and I don't know if they will be helpful sor Zande's website. They are on the papers I got from my "breeder (I use that lightly)" regarding the AKC registration on the Sire and the Dame. I see that the sire and the dames number start with HP, but these other numbers I have start with HM; AKC DNA #; and AKC… I, like I said don't know if these mean anything but wanted to run it by you.Thanks in advance, Petra
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HM means the dog was probably born in 2000 or before, when AKC used all the HM numbers they started using HP and some have HN numbers.
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Ok, so the numbers sound correct? I am just trying to get some info for myself and for Sally's directory (?).
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Tanza ,
I am hoping you will read this as I have one more question/comment. I found some other numbers for some of Otis' grandparents and I don't know if they will be helpful sor Zande's website. They are on the papers I got from my "breeder (I use that lightly)" regarding the AKC registration on the Sire and the Dame. I see that the sire and the dames number start with HP, but these other numbers I have start with HM; AKC DNA #; and AKC… I, like I said don't know if these mean anything but wanted to run it by you.Thanks in advance, Petra
If you are seeing an AKC DNA# that is used for parentage. It was started as a mandatory program for "Frequesntly Used Sires" (BYB's and Puppymills) to verify parentage. At the time it was started, many BYB's and Puppmillers refused to comply with the requirement thus starting many of the other registration sites that you see listed on dogs. You can read about AKC DNA testing at http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm
So, if you have pedigree on your pup and you go back far enough, usually you will find dogs that are/were AKC registered. As lvoss pointed out the HM in front of the number was last used for registration numbers by AKC around 2000. -
Thanks for the info.
petra
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Yes, I have an HM98….. dog born Nov 2001. Then I have a HN01...... dog born Nov 2002. Then I jump to dogs with HP19.... born Nov & Dec 2005.
If it's an AKC registration number, it will have 2 letters followed by 8 numbers. The first 6 numbers are the litter number, the last two are each individual puppy's number. (01, 02, 03, etc.) And I think all the hounds start with "H"?
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Hey BF members,
Does anyone remember this thread? Might be related? Possibly the breeder?
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Hey BF members,
Does anyone remember this thread? Might be related? Possibly the breeder?
Good memory…. and I would guess this is the breeder
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You mean the breeder to my dog? that is correct.
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How old does a dog have to be to be tested for Fanconi? How old for the eyes to be Cerfed?
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Type the parent's name or registration number into the search field. If they have been tested then they will show up. If not, then it will tell you cannot be found.
As an example, you can search my dog's name, Sherwood's In The Nick Of Time. You should find that there are 5 entries in the OFA database for him including Fanconi.
http://www.offa.org/results.html?all=sherwood%27s+in+the+nick+of+time
If you click on one of the links, you will be taken to his OFA record and can view all of his results and the results of his parents and offspring.
http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=789239#animal
For an example with the registration number, you can search HP13054204. You should find that there are 5 entries for her in the OFA database.
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Type the parent's name or registration number into the search field. If they have been tested then they will show up. If not, then it will tell you cannot be found.
As an example, you can search my dog's name, Sherwood's In The Nick Of Time. You should find that there are 5 entries in the OFA database for him including Fanconi.
http://www.offa.org/results.html?all=sherwood%27s+in+the+nick+of+time
If you click on one of the links, you will be taken to his OFA record and can view all of his results and the results of his parents and offspring.
http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=789239#animal
For an example with the registration number, you can search HP13054204. You should find that there are 5 entries for her in the OFA database.
Thank you for this. Very helpful. So can the parents be tested and not be recorded on there? and also how old do dogs have to be to get tests done for their eyes. I know hips are 2 yrs and i believe Fanconi is whenever (right?)
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The parents cannot have had the Fanconi test done and not be in the database.
Eyes can be tested as young as 8 weeks old for the first time but need to be retested on a regular basis. Since eyes change with age, it is important to monitor them well into old age.
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The parents cannot have had the Fanconi test done and not be in the database.
O ok. Do they have to be tested if the mother and father are CL?
Eyes can be tested as young as 8 weeks old for the first time but need to be retested on a regular basis. Since eyes change with age, it is important to monitor them well into old age.
Ok Thank you. I was curious and it makes sense i would agree to moniter them as ur rught, eyes change with age.
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Do they have to be tested if the mother and father are CL?
Well technically no, I guess not, but since this is such a new test it is always better to be safe rather then sorry, and it is also good to have the est done so his/her results get input into the database. The more dogs we have tested the less likely a fanconi dog is to be bred..ultimate goal is no more fanconi.
I had Otis tested even though he came from a CL/CL mating..I wanted to be sure and I wanted to have one more dog in the system..If your dog has fanconi and you catch it early on, chances of his/her life being not quite so miserable is better and we all want that right?
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Well technically no, I guess not, but since this is such a new test it is always better to be safe rather then sorry, and it is also good to have the est done so his/her results get input into the database. The more dogs we have tested the less likely a fanconi dog is to be bred..ultimate goal is no more fanconi.
I had Otis tested even though he came from a CL/CL mating..I wanted to be sure and I wanted to have one more dog in the system..If your dog has fanconi and you catch it early on, chances of his/her life being not quite so miserable is better and we all want that right?
Thank you for the reply
I will get her tested just to do it. I agree more dogs in the database is better. and i DEFFINATELY agree with "NO MORE FANCONI"!! I would love for Basenjis not to have to worry about fanconi. I wish there was a way to make everyone not have carriers either. IMO, i dont think ppl should breed clears to carriers because it just makes more carriers which wont help us rid the disease any more. If i ever start breeding i am going to be sure I dont get any carriers because i want my lines to be clear/normal. i just think its better this way
