You'd need a huge litter box to keep a male B from missing the box and hitting the wall or floor around the box…unless you are talking about an enclosed one with a single entrance... Do they make them that big? My male is 28lbs and when he cuts loose on the sofa...it's a 4' line buy the time he's done. He likes to get ALL the cushions in one sitting. 🙂
BIG problems with Jack…
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I have to agree with the others, if you find a nice home for Jack now, it just might be the best for all involved. It might save Jacks life if he does bite and has to be put down.
The real problem is going to be when the baby becomes a grab happy wobbly toddler and grabs jacks tail, stares him in the eye- which WILL result in biting
I think no one here thinks you would be a bad owner by finding Jack a new home.
$100 an hour?
We all need to become dog trainers! Business must be good for people to drop that kind of money
Most trainers don't make anywhere near that much per hour…behaviorists make more than trainers per hour, as they should, they have more education, and more expertise.
There is A LOT of work that goes into a one hour session dealing with aggression....I think $100 is certainly worth it, if the alternative is giving up, or euthanizing the dog. I have paid that for a consulation for Ivy, and I would do it again in a minute.
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No kidding, i was thinking like 50 buck total….yea right! It will take me some time i dont know if i have the strength to get rid of my Jackers.........
All I can say, is you get what you pay for
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Yes, if one $100 visit can guarantee changing a dogs aggressive behavior it would be well worth it.
The problem is do they know Basenji's and can they guarantee their work and in how many visits ?
However, my experience is so far, that my dog will always be a drawing blood biter, the only thing we can do is control the situations that set him off and crate him when ANYONE comes over. I dont take chances. That really works for us. We have him under control the best we can.
The problem becomes the unexpected happening (which does) and you end up with an incident on your hands, which is why I end up agreeing to place the dog elsewhere. This is even more true since Jack can't be crated. At least I can crate my dog and everyone is safe.
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I just posted an update to a thread, http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=531 where I consulted with a behaviorist on the phone. It cost nothing, but if I wanted her to come over, the fee would be $95/hr for initial consultation. $75/hr for additional visits. I looked up the behaviorist from this address:
http://www.iaabc.org/c_locator_dogs_ne.htm
The behaviorist also does animal rescue, so I imagine the last thing she'd want to do is pick up another animal to rehome. So I was thinking . . . would you be able call an animal rescue group in your vicinity and ask for help in advice or a referral? Sometimes resources can be had just by asking. Your vet wasn't much help, but it's good you asked. This forum is an amazing resource, for instance.
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All I can say, is you get what you pay for
I've got to agree with andrea on this one. Behaviorists are soooo cool. You would not regret spending the money afterwards.
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Good. Ill keep that in mind. Im going to call around. I was wondering if maybe BRAT would be able to point me in the right position…Ill have to give them a call as well
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We all can see how much you care about Jack.
We care enough for you to tell you the issues we are concerned about…for you and for Jack.
I so hope you find a behaviorist who can help you.
In my experience, I have found the only way I can trust a dog who bites is to structure my house/life so he isn't given the chance to do so. -
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Having done basenji rescue for years, I have found that some dogs will bite, and then stop…its rare, but we just had a young basenji who did just that.
However, the norm is that a biter is a biter and they have learned that to
help them cope with whatever stressers are pushing their buttons.
All you can do, to make sure it doesn't happen, is figure out what is causing the biting and not do it...or work with a professional to make this behavior
something the dog can handle.
Keep the dog "safe" when others are around, and manage the dog so that he is not given a chance to bite, or put him to sleep.
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Hi Sharon, it's me Lynne the one with Shiloh. Everytime Jack growls or shows any signs of aggression I would say "Ouch!" and ignore him and act sad and disappointed. Dogs behavior is based off attention, and even negative attention is still attention. This will give him a command that means no aggression or biting, and will take away the reward (attention - even if it's negative attention from you). Also, communicate with him as you would any person or child, and let him know what is going on and that people will be coming and going from the house and that they will come, but they will leave, but that you, aiden the baby, jack, …will stay at the house- make sure you say it in those terms. Also, sit alone with Jack and do a visualization of a house with different rooms I would recommend talking your way through the visualization - "We live in this house Jack and you and I come in the front door and there's a bedroom upstairs, there's a bedroom down the hall, and then as we turn left there's a bedroom that is just for you. Now we're walking in the bedroom and...." Now fill the room up with all his favorite things and things that are just for Jack and that house represents your heart and the bedrooms are all parts of your heart and the baby has a bedroom, and your other child (if you have one) has a bedroom, and Jack has a bedroom too. You do this for all of your animals so that they know that they still have their special place in your heart that is just for them. You visualize it and you verbalize it - animals do understand what we say, but we have to say things in the positive sense if you say the friends and family are not moving in the animals get a picture of friends and family moving in you need to say everything in a positive way "the friends and family are coming (they get the picture of the people coming) and then the friends and family will leave, but me, and baby aiden, and dad, you, and ....we are all staying here together." Animals also communicate telepathically with you, and this is where the visualization helps as well. Try to create a special place for Jack that is Jack's place - a bedroom, a laundry room, whatever it is that has a great bed, and great toys, etc...Let Jack know that you want him to be nice to everybody so that he can get lots of love and be with the group, and if he does not, then he will have to wear the muzzle for a little while. Give him the choice every time, and remember to say Ouch before you would put the muzzle on. When he's being good thank him for being so nice and good and that you love that you can all be together and get along. He's trying to keep his place in the family - he's not being mean he's being scared that he will have to leave because there will be no room for him - he's trying to keep his place and keep your love. Don't be scared of him because then you have just relinquished your alpha position - you are the one in control even when he's doing that. You could also use a timeout instead of a muzzle - and just let him know that is the consequence. You don't want to punish him for being scared, but you want to make sure he learns that it's not acceptable and that he has his special place with you always and that he is loved and will stay with you. Be consistent, and I think he'll be fine. Also, I would get a kong toy and fill it up with peanut butter or whatever he really likes, and that will keep him occupied and busy and having fun, and you could maybe set up a crate with a bed in it and put the kong toy inside it - leave the crate open, but let him go in and be in his little special cave with his cool toy.
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Wonderful advice. I hope Jacks owners can make this work.
I am going to try this with some of the rescue dogs I see as well.
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If you have the National Geographic channel, check out the Dog Whisperer (you can also find some clips on youtube). He is a behaviorist, but as many times as there is something to correct with the dogs behavior, there is also some behavior that the humans need to change as well. I've been working with our Samantha to get her from trying to lunge at cars. When she is walking along in the calm submissive state she has no problems with the cars - and is a lot more pleasant to walk. Being a basenji, she is of course a little more independant minded, but she still behaves according to the pack rules that all other dogs respond to. The dog whsiperers name is Casar Milan (http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/)). I've seen him make a huge difference in a very short period of time. Having seen him at work, I would whole heartedly recommend a behaviorist for a problem as significant as this.
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If you have the National Geographic channel, check out the Dog Whisperer (you can also find some clips on youtube). He is a behaviorist, but as many times as there is something to correct with the dogs behavior, there is also some behavior that the humans need to change as well. I've been working with our Samantha to get her from trying to lunge at cars. When she is walking along in the calm submissive state she has no problems with the cars - and is a lot more pleasant to walk. Being a basenji, she is of course a little more independant minded, but she still behaves according to the pack rules that all other dogs respond to. The dog whsiperers name is Casar Milan (http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/)). I've seen him make a huge difference in a very short period of time. Having seen him at work, I would whole heartedly recommend a behaviorist for a problem as significant as this.
Sorry there are many of us that think that the "dog whisperer" is a crock…. I would suggest that anyone find are real behaviorist... if you look at Casar and compare to Victoria Stilwell, that is seen on Animal Planet... I would certainly call her first................
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By the way, her show is called "Its me or the dog"….............
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Sorry there are many of us that think that the "dog whisperer" is a crock…. I would suggest that anyone find are real behaviorist... if you look at Casar and compare to Victoria Stilwell, that is seen on Animal Planet... I would certainly call her first................
You go, girl….I can't comment, because I have banned myself from this topic
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Andrea, we need your comments…
Please wade in.Thanks Sharron
I can't keep a level head when the topic of the dog whisperer comes up, so I just have decided to stay out of it. I will be happy to offer up positive, reward based solutions whenever I can though -
I apologize for nearly inciting a riot over the dog whisper thing - I just starting watching the show a month ago, and he seemed to do some pretty incredible things. But after reading many of the comments posted on the forum, I can see that there are better ways. My main point though, is that many times there is behavior that needs to be modified on both sides, and in a situation like this, if it were me, I would certainly bring in a behaviorist.
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So I'm joining this conversation really late (I really should check the forum more often!!!)… here's my two cents.
I understand completely about not being able to afford a trainer for Jack. However, if you would like I can put you in contact with someone who I am pretty sure does payment plans. His name is Peter and I use to work with him at the aquarium. You may have actually seen him at the park with his giant polar bear looking dogs! He use to be a sea lion trainer and really knows his stuff when it comes to training animals (I mean, when you initially deal with 700 lb. creatures you kinda have to!;) ). He now owns his own dog training business.
I am sorry this situation has occurred for you! Jack really is a wonderful B and it sounds as though he is having a rough transition.
I understand completely having to live with a "problem" dog and struggling over wether or not to give them up. I have to say though that I am really glad we toughed it out. Sophie (who you may know) has a history of biting people at what seemed random times (as well as not being socialized, has leash aggression, etc.). We have been really patient with her and have worked hard to get her to where she is but the finished product is astounding! Tears actually well up in my eyes when I think that I almost let her go because she seemed too much for us to handle. Patience and knowledge seems to be the key words. Do try to find out as much as you can about kids and dogs living together.
Again, if you would like Peter's number then I am happy to get it for you. Also, if I can help at all please let me know. Sophie and Stick would love to take him to the park with us for a big B romp.:D
Kiss the baby and pet Jack for me!
Audrey
