• Thank You Gigi and Sally for backing me up. I would rather trust alternatives them drugs any day of the week. I'm not saying that for some dogs and people that they don't work but,I believe to try something less trying on the body does the trick.
    And, I'm not a bully,everyone is free to do what they want,just don't claim it doesn't work when there are some that have had it work.
    My experience started race horses back in the late 60's. I apprenticed with a trainer that learned from the best, The late great " Sunny Jim" Fitzsimmons. He trained winners of the Triple Crown races. I learned early on about alternative ways although they weren't alternative back then.
    I brought my skills into dogs when I got into basenjis back in 1976. I still work in the horse field
    and even though there are many new treatments for horses,many including me use time honored ways.
    It has helped me with the dogs as many are the same. Easier on the system and I love that I have kept alive traditions that have stood the test of time.
    My Rocky was/is a great racedog,winning the LGRA/NOTRA National twice as high combined winner and was #1 LGRA Basenji 4 years in a row and NOTRA 2 years in a row so I must be doing something right.
    I love my basenjis with everything in me and only give them the best of everything including only natural medicine.


  • @rocky1 Hi Rocky1, sounds like you really love and care very well for your dogs. I agree with you 100% about trusting alternatives and natural medicine. I have doctors and nurses in the family, so I know about the mainstream medical profession, a bit too much actually. Our bodies and especially animals bodies are designed for natural healing, it just seems like common sense to try it first.

    Your dog Rocky sounds amazing. You should be very proud!


  • @serenjane Hi, Rescue Remedy is a well-trusted and safe therapy for birds, dogs, horses and humans. It's been around a long time. I have used Rescue Remedy for my dogs who get nervous during thunderstorms and it worked better for some than others, I have also used it for a cockatoo parrot I rescued 18 years ago. He's 22 today and still going strong. I would say it's safe, so why not try it? It doesn't work for all, but it does for many. Research essential oils such as lavender, valerian, and there are specific synergy blends made for calming dogs. * I only use essential oils as aromatherapy in a diffuser, not internally.

    I'll suggest something I have used over the years for dogs, "VetriScience Composure" Chews - recommended by veterinarians, yet safe and natural. Another popular one is "Quiet Moments Soft Chews by NaturVet" - they can take the edge off a nervous dog, but again may not work for all. You can find several such calming chews on Amazon, look for ingredients such as Chamomile, Melatonin, L-tryptophan, Passion Flower. The ingredient I like most is L-Theanine. L-Theanine is an amino acid and safe for dogs, it's wonderfully calming for humans dealing with anxiety too. GoldVet Naturally Calm contains Suntheanine, which is a 100% pure type of L-theanine. You may have to try a few different blends and brands to see which one works best for your dog. Best of luck!!!


  • @gigi
    Thank you for your response and encouragement to keep trying different things for calming Seeka. This is week 2 with the Rescue Remedy. I’ve tried a few of the “calming” treats, however she will not touch them even if wrapped in cheese.


  • @serenjane You're quite welcome. Our fur babies enjoy giving us a hard time - lol I wonder if you inserted the chew into a small meatball would she take it? If nothing works they do make liquid drops, but I've never used the liquids. The "VetriScience Composure Max" also comes in a liquid form on Amazon.There is another one I see mentioned on several dog forums called "K9 Calmer" (Amazon). I prefer the VetriScience, but both products contain L-Theanine, and Thiamine (B1). Might be easier to give a liquid added to a bit of applesauce or mixed with something Seeka really loves. My girl loves applesauce, peanut butter, plain yogurt, pureed pumpkin, sweet potato, and coconut oil, she would eat anything mixed with those. Happy to help, hope you find something that works for Seeka!


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  • @debradownsouth Reporting my post??? You were bullying MORE members and you posted your usual rant to me...lmao. I’m sticking up for members that you are bullying right on this thread above. Good luck with that.

    Wow, you sound quite jealous. I would rather not continue with this, and I really can’t imagine why you would want to continue? I am forthright. I’m the kid who stuck up for the kids being bullied in school. Sometimes a person can only learn when they get a taste of their own medicine. I saw recent threads on this forum where you were bullying others and I restrained myself from getting involved, but it really gets my dander up to see people, who are asking for help, being bullied or censured. You are censuring others every time you respond to them in a condescending and bullying manner. Responding with criticism is stifling and discourages some people from posting again. Not allowing others to have their own opinions is a form of censuring. That’s the reason you’re having so many problems with so many people on this forum. A forum of this nature is supposed to be a peaceful place to share, learn and have fun, not a stressful place where members have to keep fending off a bully. Could this be why several members were trying to find a way to leave this group a month ago?

    From here on maybe I’ll just give those members posts that you’re bullying a thumbs up click, so they know they have some support. As for when I post, please don’t respond to any of them, that should solve YOUR problem.

    Go take a walk in nature, rub a dogs belly, feed a stray cat, count your blessings...it’s good for the heart.


  • @gigi

    I am sorry for you. I really am. But thank you for proving you have an obsession.

    Pour through the forum and find me any personal attacks I have made except in response to nonsense like yours, or in regard to irresponsible breeders. That should keep you busy. I'll wait.


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  • @debradownsouth Explain your problems above in this thread with two other members


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  • @debradownsouth You're projecting again.


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  • @debradownsouth I deleted my older posts to remove personal info, I deleted my more recent responses to let you save face.

    I'm not responding anymore, what more is there to say anyway. All your reposting is proving who is obsessed.


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  • @zande

    The news is full of click bait articles, bad science, but they don't care if it gets clicked. If we believe the papers, there is almost literally nothing that won't kill us. I don't equate solid research with the news, but I understand. The current lawsuit over Orijen and ?I forget... looks legit, then you see info about the group bringing it, lab not revealed, is any of it true? All of it? I don't know. I'm just going to do what they advised pregnant women 2 decades ago... limit the fish rotation for my dogs. I don't know the bottom line, so that's all I can do. I don't feed the brands, but I have used fish overly in my rotations.

    And yes, like you said, if it works for you, do it. Like I said, I do things I KNOW have no scientific backing.

    I've just had too many courses in science/genetics/biology/physics to not also have faith in science. So, for example, when I think ice helps my burns, but then read ice actually causes more damage, I stop. If it won't hurt me or my dogs, then I'll keep on with experience.

    I use probiotics for us and the dogs, btw.

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