Cairo had a seizure this morning


  • If you are like me you are not just being paranoid, but merely in tune with your dog. I can always tell when something is not quite right with my guys.

    The best you can do is observe carefully and share with your vet.

    Hopefully you and the vet will figure out what is ailing Cairo together and it will be something that you can manage with good care :)

    Please keep us updated and we will do our best to help when we can :)


  • You may be able to get a large (60 cc ) syringe and slowly squirt water, maybe with a bit of chicken broth, into his mouth several times a day. I have done this with older dogs who didn't drink as much as they should. No needle, but attach a bit of small rubber or plastic tubing to the syringe, slip that into the rear of the mouth and gently squeeze the plunger. (I'm a recovery nurse and we used to use these for babies with cleft palate surgery). Good luck, I hope it is just dehydration during this hot summer.


  • Is your vet having you give stomach meds with the duramax? Connor eventually couldn't handle rimadly, duramaxx or even coated aspirin even with antacids and plenty of food with the pills. :(


  • Thanks all for the ideas/help and sorry I haven't been on lately.

    Cairo seems to be doing much better…he's getting more active and more vocal (even more so than before the grand mal.) He is still having some minor seizure activity every once in a while and now it's back mostly to different sounds, though lapping water from the bowl still triggers some, he stops for a moment and then continues.

    I've been giving him subQ fluids every other day and he's been tolerating it well, it also helps we take him to get (no sugar added) frozen yogurt after ...he loves his frozen yogurt and frosty paws. It also helps his stomach and he's also been tolerating the Duramaxx better too (though part of it is probably the yogurt and frozen yogurt helping.)

    Wed or Thurs he goes back for the retesting, I'm so hoping it comes back clear.


  • Sounds like a real break through. Sending positive vibes for his continued improvement.

    My Maggii had minor seizure activity for a number of years, along with kidney failure.. but she live to a ripe 16+ and for that I am totally grateful…. She did great with SubQ fluids and accepted it (but not the happiest of Basenjis...ggg).... She seemed to know it was good for her


  • Glad to hear that there is improvement for Cairo.

    I will keep my fingers crossed for the retesting :)


  • Hello, My very sweet 12yr old Basenji boy had a seizure this morning during our walk, just like Cairo. Nothing seem to trigger the event. It lasted about 5 minutes or so. I sat down on the sidewalk with him and tried to comfort him until it was over. His front legs were rigid and his mouth was open and was foaming a bit. The rest of his body was shaking. He was laying down and was urinating and his ruff was up quite a bit. After he came out of it I took him home and called the vet. The vet said I could bring him in for blood work, but I would have to leave him there. He also said that it could be a one time seizure and not happen again. I chose not to take him today. He is really nervous and restless and following me every where I go around the house. He is so scared that it might happen again, so am I. I didn't want to have to take him to the vet and leave him after such a traumatic experience. He is also drinking a lot of water. I really needed to vent all of this to someone. Thank You


  • chakrapollo - i hope Apollo is doing better.

    I just got the call back about the bloodwork and the BUN is still in the 70s, though the cre is lower (due to the fluids I've been giving him already.) The vet wants me to keep him on fluids (probably for the rest of his life) and start him on a kidney diet, to help keep him from going further into kidney failure.


  • So pleased to hear of Cairo's good progress. And news of Apollo.


  • @Aoibheann:

    I just got the call back about the bloodwork and the BUN is still in the 70s, though the cre is lower (due to the fluids I've been giving him already.) The vet wants me to keep him on fluids (probably for the rest of his life) and start him on a kidney diet, to help keep him from going further into kidney failure.

    Thanks for the update… My spaniel lived quite well with careful management for 2-3 more years after being diagnosed with kidney failure :) He was in all other ways a happy, and healthy dog and was 15 by the time he passed.

    I hope Cairo will do wonderfully with treatment :)


  • @Aoibheann:

    I just got the call back about the bloodwork …The vet wants me to keep him on fluids (probably for the rest of his life) and start him on a kidney diet, to help keep him from going further into kidney failure.

    Are you giving him subQ fluids? (((hugs)))

    @chakrapollo:

    Hello, My very sweet 12yr old Basenji boy had a seizure this morning during our walk, just like Cairo. … He is so scared that it might happen again, so am I.

    He probably isn't afraid of a seizure, but he might feel bad or he might be reading your anxiety. If he isn't better, can you schedule a time when you can go to the vet and stay with him? Not sure why they would need you to leave him for blood work.


  • Debra~ yes i have been giving him 50ml subQ treatments every other day since his first results came in. The vet wants me to continue for the time being. I'm hoping with a change in diet (going to start with the prescription and then maybe switch over to home-cooked low protein chicken, fish, and eggs with veggies, oatmeal/brown rice) I can eventually not need to do the subQ treatments, if his levels go down enough.


  • I so hope things improve. I even tried Lidocaine with Sayblee and she just hated the subQ fluids. You are a special basenji mom. Praying the levels all become normal soon and the results just temporary fluke, not actual kidney failure.


  • @DebraDownSouth:

    Are you giving him subQ fluids? (((hugs)))

    He probably isn't afraid of a seizure, but he might feel bad or he might be reading your anxiety. If he isn't better, can you schedule a time when you can go to the vet and stay with him? Not sure why they would need you to leave him for blood work.

    Apollo's blood work came back clean and clear. Doctor said this is a good thing.
    Although Apollo is 12 yrs old he is very healthy except for the seizure. He said if he had two seizures within a week to call him. Also said that four of his clients have been using the magnetic collars to prevent seizures. I had never heard of this before. He does not sell them, and suggested I go on line to buy if I was interested in trying. The results he said were good. These were dogs with repeated episodes. Also, acupuncture was an option. This vet is not a strictly holistic doctor, but he is giving me an option. Thank You so much for your thoughts.


  • Magnet have limited research with epilepsy and much of it not supportive. There have been a few studies using MASSIVE magnetic treatment, but I am pretty sure spending your hard worn money to buy a magnetic collar is pretty much a waste. If money isn't an issue, it probably won't hurt.

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/biomagnetic_therapy.htm

    The only real use of magnets in epilepsy is for those with a vegus nerve stimulation unit installed inside their chest. You can use magnets to activate or stop the stimulation.

    Btw, I worked in college for the Neuropsychology and Brain Research Lab at the University of Tennesse with Joel Lubar on his biofeedback/epilepsy research back in the 1970s. It was incredible. He taught me to increase the heat in my hands to stop migraines. :) I very much support non-medication wherever they work, I just hate people claiming things to sell a product.


  • Thank You so much for the link to the website on magnetic therapy. Actually my vet doesn't sell the collars. He suggested one as an alternate remedy as opposed to putting Apollo on anti-seizure meds at this time. He couldn't explain, but some of his clients dogs have had good results. I bought one on Amazon for $15.00. No I don't have money to throw away, but since it wouldn't harm I decided to buy. I haven't read the article yet, but I will. Thank You so much for sharing and caring.

    Christine

    BTW I am new on the forum so probably will take me a bit to find my way around.


  • It's a good group, lots of breeders here with good experiences and knowledge to share.


  • Apollo has not had another seizure until this morning. I think I found the culprit. There is a certain motorcycle that goes by when we are out for our morning walk. It has no muffler and is quiet loud. Apollo went into a grand mal just as he did a month ago. Is there anything I can do to prevent this. Has anyone else come across anything like this. He had blood work after the first time, and everything came back normal.

    Thank You
    Christine


  • Christine, do you think you could work on desensitizing him to noise, like one does for noise phobias? I'll be happy to give you the links I have if you think it might help.


  • Hi, Yes please send along the links. Apollo is going to be thirteen yrs in Dec. Do you think he is too far in years to train.
    Thank You so much for your reply.
    Christine

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