Basenji wanted in maryland

[hazel-up]

@dcmclcm4:

What age range are you looking for?

Jennifer

Thanks, everyone, and Sharron, bravo to BRAT for being one of the best organized and most effective rescues I've ever encountered.

I'm looking for someone beyond adolescence, basically, and I don't have a problem with older dogs, tho my husband is a harder sell on the seniors. He gets very attached, and we just lost a dog, so he's not in a hurry to lose another, but 5+ is no problem at all.

We need a secure dog who knows what a home is since we don't have a flock of dogs to help a scared newbie adjust.

[hazel-up]

@tanza:

Sometimes you have to travel a bit to find that perfect dog. There is the family from Fla that traveled to Robyn's home… and found that perfect fit... and I have no doubt that if you are willing you would to... Not just rescue needs those perfect homes. There are many breeders that have older puppies or adults looking for their forever homes.

Thank you Pat. A dog from the right environment is important. We have many shelters and rescues who bring dogs here to the DC area from rural high-kill shelters down south and in other places. The dogs sometimes have a hard time adapting to the very dynamic and pressured urban/suburban social environment have here. I train these dogs all the time, and it's very challenging for the families who adopt them. So a city dog would be great for us, but a country dog might not do as well if s/he isn't already socialized pretty well. That's a more important thing for us than the actual location if you know what I mean.

[lvoss]

Are you looking for a rescue or is an adult from a breeder an option for you?

Also, there is alot in between country and city. Many dogs are from the suburbs. Having worked with shelter dogs, rescues, and well bred dogs, I really think it is the early socialization, training, and genetics that are the main factors not city vs country. I have seen poorly socialized, poorly trained, poorly bred city dogs that were just as bad as their country cousins and vice versa.

If you are really looking for certain things in your dog, your best bet is working with a responsible breeder.

[Quercus]

@hazel-up:

Thank you Pat. A dog from the right environment is important. We have many shelters and rescues who bring dogs here to the DC area from rural high-kill shelters down south and in other places. The dogs sometimes have a hard time adapting to the very dynamic and pressured urban/suburban social environment have here. I train these dogs all the time, and it's very challenging for the families who adopt them. So a city dog would be great for us, but a country dog might not do as well if s/he isn't already socialized pretty well. That's a more important thing for us than the actual location if you know what I mean.

I think I understand what you are saying. But if you were to go the route of a slightly older dog from a responsible breeder, you would probably get exactly what you want. Lots of breeders have retired show dogs, who are done being mommas (or dads) and ready to go into their own loving home. They have already been VERY well socialized by being raised in a busy home, and toted to very busy shows where they are expected tolerate all sorts of craziness And they usually have excellent house manners because breeders can't really have a bunch of out of control dogs running around the house. These dogs are no less needy and hopeful for a loving/spoiling home than most rescued dogs; and you get the added benefit of someone at your beck and call to answer questions and help you however they can in the responsible breeder… Just something to think about

[hazel-up]

@lvoss:

Are you looking for a rescue or is an adult from a breeder an option for you?

Also, there is alot in between country and city. Many dogs are from the suburbs. Having worked with shelter dogs, rescues, and well bred dogs, I really think it is the early socialization, training, and genetics that are the main factors not city vs country. I have seen poorly socialized, poorly trained, poorly bred city dogs that were just as bad as their country cousins and vice versa.

If you are really looking for certain things in your dog, your best bet is working with a responsible breeder.

Thanks, Ivoss and Andrea, and of course there's no hard and fast rule about city and country.

All the options are on the table for us (except a pup), and I agree, retired show dogs are often bomb-proof, and beautiful into the bargain.

Hoping to rescue locally, that's the first choice, and then we go from there, so putting the word out and seeing where the chips fall. A retired show dog would be wonderful, too.

[DebraDownSouth]

Guys, I am sorry, but if someone wanted a SHOW dog and I pushed rescue repeatedly after they kept saying from breeder or show… well you get the point.

Hazel, Brat in FL has a lot of WONDERFUL adults. We have a Facebook page for our Wimauma adopters even... Pam has done a superior job. Please contact them about the adults.

[Quercus]

@DebraDownSouth:

Guys, I am sorry, but if someone wanted a SHOW dog and I pushed rescue repeatedly after they kept saying from breeder or show… well you get the point.

Hazel, Brat in FL has a lot of WONDERFUL adults. We have a Facebook page for our Wimauma adopters even... Pam has done a superior job. Please contact them about the adults.

Debra, the only reason that I mention adult dogs available from breeders is because a lot of people don't REALIZE there are adult dogs who need homes from breeders. I don't give a crap who gets their dog from where, or what their reasoning is…but I do want people to have all the information available to make a decision.

If someone wants a rescue because they are ethically committed to that plan then fine. But I want it to be clear that there are plenty of adoptable adult dogs available from breeders, too.

[DebraDownSouth]

In the interest of being totally on topic..

Rescues make as good of pets as breeders. I know, in fact, more people who have issues with their breeder dogs than with rescues. Does this mean breeders in general do badly? No. Responsible breeders do great, but you don't have to be in the big ole world long to learn that many who claim responsible are far from it. So let's not claim any great advantage in how well a rescue or a breeder's dog is better as a pet.

A responsible breeder with generations of health clearances is a better choice in most cases for health, but not always. And with a healthy breed like this, most of the time the most poorly bred specimen (like dear utterly poorly bred Cara), still are as healthy as most registered ones. Strip test all of them.

A good rescue, like a good breeder, is there to help you at all times and they are there for your dog for life. In fact, here's a bonus. With a breeder, if your breeder dies/gets sick, you have no one. With a rescue, you have a whole organization to help, rehome or whatever is needed.

A good breeder's dogs are never in the situation of rescues, who have often been in at least 3 homes (counting breeder/home/foster) or more and need a home. Although BRAT keeps them til they find a home, many die in shelters for lack of homes. And while BRAT certainly tries to find great foster homes, I honestly suggest that the home of a years and years of experienced breeder is not as dire as that of a foster dog.

So choose your needs. Unless you want to show, compete or breed, that pet will be perfect.

[Quercus]

Debra, this is your perception…not the reality! I don't bash rescues, I fully support rescues. YOU are the one inserting words that I NEVER said or thought. YOU are the one who brings this up repeatedly. This is YOUR issue...not mine...so please keep it to yourself! Frankly, I am kind of sick of the world according to Debra!

IF the original poster felt overwhelmed by our suggestions that there are other options than rescue, she handled it with grace and politeness...unlike you...

[DebraDownSouth]

Giving benefit of doubt, so post removed, except to say if you know breeders whose adult dogs are in desperate need of homes, please do consider talking to them not breeding so often.

[tanza]

@DebraDownSouth:

Will remove my part and put your EXACT words, which indicates precisely what I said.

And I am sick of breeders hawking dogs when others ask for rescues and whining about adults needing homes. Here's an idea… if you can't place your dogs and end up with adults all the time, stop breeding so often. What a concept.

Debra, really…. get over it.... It is just being pointed out that there are other directions to look at when wanting a Basenji. Breeders end up with adults for the SAME reason BRAT does... only difference is they are responsible and take back their Basenjis instead of them going to BRAT. So why is that so different?

And BRAT is not always the easiest group to work with in addition they do have restrictions that maybe a breeder with an adult to place might find acceptable.

[hazel-up]

Whoa now, please don't argue on my account. I'm a pro trainer, so I've seen a pretty wide survey of dogs from all backgrounds. I know the score all around.

I need a dog so I'm shaking the tree to see who has what in the pipeline. All replies are welcome, but I am hoping to rescue.

Travel isn't out of the question, but it would have to happen to be in a place where we have contacts and a reason to go there already. I once adopted a dog from very far away and don't want to do that again for many reasons.

So, Maryland, Virginia, mid Atlantic, that kind of travel would be okay for the right dog.

Thanks all.

[Quercus]

@hazel-up:

Whoa now, please don't argue on my account. I'm a pro trainer, so I've seen a pretty wide survey of dogs from all backgrounds. I know the score all around.

I need a dog so I'm shaking the tree to see who has what in the pipeline. All replies are welcome, but I am hoping to rescue.

Travel isn't out of the question, but it would have to happen to be in a place where we have contacts and a reason to go there already. I once adopted a dog from very far away and don't want to do that again for many reasons.

So, Maryland, Virginia, mid Atlantic, that kind of travel would be okay for the right dog.

Thanks all.

Hazel, I hope you will understand that the way in which Debra is depicting my comments is NOT at all what I intended to communicate. I sincerely hope that no one else took my comments that way.

[Quercus]

Wow Debra! I will say this again…maybe you will hear it. YOU...YOU....YOU put all those words and thoughts behind what I said. I did NOT say those things or mean those things. You can accuse me all you want, but you will be wrong, because you aren't privy to my thoughts, you can't assume to know that I had any hidden meanings. This is clearly a issue of passion for you.

I refuse to argue with you line by line, because it is time consuming and monotonous.

I just want to clarify for everyone else reading. What Debra ascribed to the words I wrote, is NOT the way I think..period...she twisted each statement that she copied to make it fit her interpretation of my thinking.

[MacPack]

Andrea, I would never have interpreted what you said in the way Debra 'translated' your words. I read a straightforward post from you suggesting alternatives if 'rescue' didn't work out. From Dylan, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest". 'Nuf said.

[Quercus]

Thank you, Anne! I was starting to wonder about MY sanity!

[DebraDownSouth]

..edit out snarkiness.

To the OP, sorry. Understand I am on both sides… I value breeders (bred rotties, btw), I value the need to work to produce the best. But I also know that rescues, mutts, mixed breeds... they make as good as pets as anything produced by the best of breeders. And that sadly some breeders consider rescues to be competition. And while in some breeds, there are so many common health issues that truly your only good bet health wise is a responsible breeder, fortunately our breed is pretty healthy by comparison to many.

I should say that the breeders who post here usually, and that includes Pat and Andrea, are very responsible breeders. .
.. edit out continued fight...

[DebraDownSouth]

@tanza:

Breeders end up with adults for the SAME reason BRAT does… only difference is they are responsible and take back their Basenjis instead of them going to BRAT. So why is that so different?

And BRAT is not always the easiest group to work with in addition they do have restrictions that maybe a breeder with an adult to place might find acceptable.

EDIT OUT FIGHT..
We both know quite a few "responsible breeders" who are touted as so good, and don't take their own back. Sadly BRAT can't out them. Frankly I like some great Rottie clubs that toss members out who refuse to take back their dogs.

And no, most breeders don't have adults for same reason as BRAT. Most breeders have too many adults due to breeding too often, having several retired adults (which can easily happen .. I understand, when you have a great litter, keep a few instead of just one).. bitches done breeding, etc. They don't have their offspring just returned in large numbers. Because if you are a breeder and regularly getting dogs returned, maybe you need to change how you place them and evaluate homes. I have had precisely 1 puppy and 2 rescues returned to me in all these years, and 2 dogs I took back. So no, breeders dogs are not in a "rescue" situation typically.

As for Brat not easy to work with? I have no idea what you mean so instead of me "interpreting it", please explain. BRAT does home placements with the same reasonable requirements of any of the many rescue groups I work with (not just basenji but chows, rotties, goldens etc). I don't find their placement requirements to be nearly as strict as mine for placing a puppy I bred. So please explain what is hard about BRAT and where a breeder would have lower requirements?

EDITED NOTE: Let me be clear to anyone reading this who doesn't breed. Responsible breeders will always have adult dogs. It isn't bad, it isn't lack of care. In fact, if you breed, unless you have unlimited space and lots of folks in your home, you either place adults who are not showing/breeding so they get an individual home and you have the space/time to continue to breed… or you stop breeding til you have space and time. My issue is when a breeder continually is maxed out with numbers of dogs and keeps breeding when they can't find homes for what they have. And while the typical pet owner may not understand how you can breed, raise and place a dog... the responsible breeders are the ones who work to improve the breed, to improve health, and if they don't let those dogs go, however much they are loved and want to keep them, then they can't continue to help the breed. Please do not anyone "interpret" my posts as being against that, because I respect and applaud it.
Life according to Debra... you are welcome to your own world and even to to prove where I am wrong in mine.

[dcmclcm4]

I am in the Dayton, OH area and have an older brindle female-8 years old available. I am able to transport her.

Here is her petfinder webpage:

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17056569

If you are interested, please contact jensrescue@yahoo.com for more information.

Thanks,

Jennifer Hill

[MacPack]

She is a cutie, Jennifer.