lets live in the real world here for just a minute can we please??
a person can say they love their dog, doesnt mean they do OR that they will do what is best for the dog
kind of goes without saying doesnt it?
i think we can all agree to agree that we all loathe people who dont love their dogs and we can all feel superior because we are better then them
good now that that is out of the way
the GOAL is to get this dog into brats system
what is the best way to do accomplish this ?
what has the best chance of working ?
encourage the seller to GIVE the dog away and educate her as to why this is the best idea?
or pay her the 200.00 and consider it money well spent and then take the dog and let brat find her a home
and once again this is IF it can be shown that by doing so we are not "perpetuating the cycle of …....."
which of course is also a given and should have been seen as given right from the start
so once again (deep breath))
ANY constructive ideas on how to check out the situation in texas ??
all it would take is someone to go to her house check out the situation make sure its not a breeding facility sound her out and then make an informed decision about whether purchasing the dog will perpetuate....... or not
anything else is just a lot of hot air and a waste of time
I live in houston…and the adress on her ad..is an office building...
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she has another ad on another site and it is saying clear lake
perhaps the houston address is business and home is in clear lake?
perhaps look up in the directory an address for mary beth weiss? to get the home address?
of course if anyone can simply email her ask for a time to meet and see the dog she would i assume give the home address which would be great would be one good way of finding out what is going on
If we want to live in the real world then you would admit that if she can be lying about loving the dog then she could just as easily be lying about not having plans to breed one or both of the puppies she kept from this litter.
The constructive answer that does not put money into the pockets of an irresponsible breeder is to do the best you can to educate about why surrrendering the dog to a reputable rescue is in the best interest of her and the dog. It may not be successful but it is the best anyone can do. I don't see you volunteering to shell out the money to do this, instead you came here to ask other people to spend their hard earned money to do it and have tried to lay a guilt trip on those that said they don't feel it is right reward irresponsibility. It isn't like she didn't know the dog limits when she bred the bitch or decided to keep 2 puppies and dump their now no longer wanted dam.
as far as im concerned shes an ignorant person who is making a buck selling dogs
so what?
who cares?
she is not the reason for this post
what is pertinent is discovering whether she intends to keep breeding or not
if not then get the dog away from her
end of story
will we ever know 100% if it was the right decision ??
no we wont
but id rather err on the side of helping the dog then sit back and do nothing because we cant be 100% certain that she wont breed again
if you find fault with that so be it
Again, if you feel that strongly, you put up the money and then give her to BRAT. Many of us feel it is rewarding bad behavior… maybe if she at least had her spayed first, some might feel a bit differently.
And I agree that if she was really concerned about the dog and its well being... she would give the dog to BRAT... along with the fact that this dog or the pups sire or the pups for that matter are not DNA for Fanconi either.
well, I have been in contact with her and she is wanting to rehome several dogs..I have mentioned BRAT but thinks she won't go for that as she is wanting money.
The female in particular is showing some aggression (towards the other females in the house..somewhat normal behavior right?) while with her pups and she stated some people won't like that so she is getting rid of her and keeping two of the puppies instead…not a loving thing to do in my opinion. We'll see maybe she will do the BRAT thing..would love for that to happen.
Again, if you feel that strongly, you put up the money and then give her to BRAT. Many of us feel it is rewarding bad behavior… maybe if she at least had her spayed first, some might feel a bit differently.
And I agree that if she was really concerned about the dog and its well being... she would give the dog to BRAT... along with the fact that this dog or the pups sire or the pups for that matter are not DNA for Fanconi either.
+1. Perfectly put. West Coast Flea…Why not buy her yourself and turn her over to BRAT - especially since you feel so strongly about it.
ive already been in contact with brat to see if they will consider placing her if i pay the cost
so as long as brat agrees its taken care of
my mistake for thinking anyone here would want to be part of getting this girl into the brat system rather then just bashing irresponsible breeders
The only angry venting person in this thread is you. Really it is. And just because you don't like an answer doesn't make it nonconstructive.
Nor were people JUST bashing irresponsible breeders. Your turning it into this tantrum makes no sense. Take a breathe and reread it.
I am not getting in between the two opinions that seem to be on this thread but I will say this:
I read all the posts in this thread and what struck me odd was when I heard the address this woman gave was a business address, what strikes me odd about this is that why would someone want to give a business address? To me that says there's something to hide. I say this because she can get into personals but give an informal contact…I personally would take that to mean "this person doesn't want me seeing there place."
Just saying ( but not giving my opinion on the topic of whether to donate or not)
..and when I contacted her to potentially come visit the dog as a "buyer", she gave me yet another area of town she lives in, not League City but Seabrook…hmmm.
When I told you that there is a possibility that she isn't being honest with you, it wasn't to discourage you, it was to let you know that it happens. I know you said that it doesn't matter to you as long as it gets this girl into BRAT, but as someone that has been scammed by dishonest BYBs, I thought it was important to let you know.
Did she say what will happen to the dogs if she doesn't sell them? Animal shelter, rescue, etc? She mentioned have over 20 dogs, so are these two (the male and female mentioned in her email) the last of the 20+? If she does take them to an animal shelter, then BRAT can get them from there without having to spend money that they need to help lots of other Bs in the organization.
LOL so I went looking using her number… and while it is encouraging I don't find her listed as a commercial breeder, she obviously is selling these dogs to make money. I also am suspicious since she CLAIMED she came home with 20.. so who knows, local paper ads, direct to pet stores? What happened with the others?
She even has email account with basenjipups@yahoo.com
http://www.k9stud.com/PuppiesforSale/Basenji262249.aspx
http://www.puppyfind.com/view_listing/?list_id=1ew5s220t3
Subject: WEISS, MARY BETH
Taylor Lake Village, TX
Mary Beth Weiss
(Age 45)
AKA: Mary B Carothers
Taylor Lake Village, TX current
Previous:
Seabrook, TX
League City, TX
Houston, TX
Phone isn't listed, she has ads giving several towns, and wth is this about? The dog whisper?
She has been with me about 6 months and was meant to be a companion for my basenji female but, cant have two alphas in the same house. I paid $400 (+ $300 transportation) for her plus the dog whisper (ask $1250 a dog) and comes with a behavior lifetime guarantee from her.
This ad made me throw up:
Red AKC Red and White Intact Male Basenji…He has mainly been an outside dog, weather permitting, but does come inside at night. He is intact and is a knowledgeable breeder. His last breeding he sired 8 puppies…Would be willing to sell his girlfriend with him. You will see him cuddled up with his two girls in the pictures. Only selling him and girlfriend due to homeowners restriction of only 3 pets per household and I want to keep his pups.
She has yet to respond to my email regarding BRAT…she is not interested in the best for these animals..only the money..in my opinion..so sad.
I don't know how many dogs she still has, but she has at least 5 or so grown basenjis and then several puppies too..She is only keeping two of the puppies and her daughter is keeping one according to the email I received...so they are effectively doing "out with the old, in with the new"...
She told me she is in Seabrook..why the ads mention League city or houston I don't know.
Jepp, that last ad made my stomach turn as well…
once again this post was simply to see if anyone would like to help put this girl into the brat system
it was meant to be a positive goal that basenji lovers could take part in if THEY felt it was a good thing
period
is understanding this simple concept really that difficult ?
the things that have been posted so far have nothing to do with the original post
what ive seen so far are
lectures on rescue philosophy
a real emphasis on rewarding or punishing the breeder
comments on how angry i seem to be with differing opinions?
i didnt post here for opinions
if stating that fact somehow translates to angry that again is an opinion that has nothing to do with the topic of whether this girl should be rescued or not
speculation on how much the breeder loves her dog or how concerned she is about her well being
and what THAT has to do with anything i really cant figure out now we only rescue dogs whose owners care about them ??
NONE of this matters and some of it is just defies any logic whatsoever
is it any wonder that im impatient with some of the things that have been said ?
the reason for the post was to see how many people who be able to participate in helping this dog if we able to determine that she meets the criteria for rescue
if you have anything to say that will help meet that goal i would love to hear it
in the meantime i will continue doing what i can to see what needs to be done to enable brat to take her
crystalncody
just read your post thank you for replying
there is a lot of misinformation at this point and alot of speculation
about this woman
what would be great is if someone on this forum knew about her in some way but …
im discussing this with my coordinator to see if the funds are made available if brat will take this girl into the system
i believe the next step is for someone to meet this woman and make a decision as to what is going on and whether purchasing this girl will meet with rescue criteria
if so then as long as brat doesnt have to pay im hoping they will take her in
it could be that this particular situation wont fit into the rescue criteria and if it doesnt then at least the effort to help this girl was made and thats all that anyone can do
A question….what about the other dogs she has, will Brat take them too? She told me she has a male/female combo for sure...maybe even more.
all that i know of are the male and female she has listed now for sale along with whatever puppies she is selling
someone else contacted her and they seem to think she has more for sale so i really cant say for sure
at this point its just a matter of hoping that whoever purchases her will give her a good home since it seems i will be unable to do anything about her
