@rugosab said in First signs of aggression? Should I be concerned?:
must be considered ALPHA, as are all my family.
Exactly !!! The only way to run a pack is to be the Alpha at all times.
Aggression ONLY when in trouble…URGENT
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Haha yeah that was Anubis! He knows how to get outta those wire crates. Well the one with PLASTIC treys in the bottom. I got one that has a metal trey. He chews the plastic ones so that he can slip through the slats in the bottom. Now he cant get the metal one chewed so hes stuck in there lol. He hasnt tried to sneak in the kitchen yet but Im waiting for it. The gate is pretty high and he hasn't figured out if he can get over it yet. Hes crated when I leave so that he cant try when Im gone.
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LOL please post the link!
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He usually has blankets in his crate but they were in the wash. And I wasnt even gone long lol. Just long enough to tape him escaping lol. I would come home to the crate on its side and him on my couch so I decided to tape him. So I purposely left for 20min with the camera running lol. This was a 20min video made into a time lapse video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94SteIaymNc
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THIS one's the best lol. I had a lot of fun making it
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@Anubis's:
When he does something he's not supposed to do then how should I correct his bad behavior? If telling him No sends him into his aggressive state then how else should I go about correcting it? He's bitten me twice…today in fact. He got into the trash and I said No Anubis Leave It and when I picked the trash can up he lashed out. He knows what Leave it means. I dont have the money for a trainer.
I do have an idea for you. Basenji's are very inquisitive and like to be stimulated mentally as well as physically. Do stop any 'correcting' you are currently implementing…Try distraction techniques: when you catch him doing something inappropriate, redirect his attention with an appropriate toy. Always change out toys too, rotate the toys every 3 weeks or so. The new 'allowable' toy will redirect him, and greet him in a happy voice, and make him interested in it. He will forget the trash or whatever and go for it, especially if you run from the inappropriate material. Trick him into thinking he caught the new toy and make a game of it. This will change your negative 'phermones' and energy and make you laugh, and he will not feel like he has to be aggressive or defensive from your (or anyone's) loud voice or body language (which you give him and he sees even before you realized you were upset….) He may or may not get over his way of 'lashing' out, but this technique will shorten his 'bad' mood, and maybe prevent his escalation into full blown aggression with a bite. Remember, you want to REDIRECT the bad behavior into appropriate behavior. Hope it helps, let me know....(I did some of this with Buddy when he would not 'come' when called, I would make believe I was chasing a rabbit in the opposite direction and he came 'this way' to me in lieu of running the way he originally planned.....)heheheheh
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I had a very beloved basenji who had anger issues.
What I found that worked was not a specific training exercise or method but more a mindset change for me. He would behave similarly to your boy– he'd get into something and then flip out. My mentor-breeder and friend told me it sounded like he was very insecure. I thought NOT. I thought he was being very dominant and aggressive. But her words stuck with me and I started changing how I thought about it. I decided to be his haven. I would let myself be the person he could turn to when he was that afraid and insecure.This is counter intuitive. It flies in the face of conventional thinking about dog training and it really flies in the face of the Cesar Milan flavored training that is so popular. I did NOT ever again think I needed to assert my own position. I basically became a comfort and a haven. When he got "in trouble" I emphasized HELPING him get out of trouble. He'd be trapped unde the table flipping out over a pizza crust and I would tell him verbally, "You're ok, Pip. Let me help you." I'd be ready with a valuable treat and tell him to come get it, and when he dropped the troublesome item, I would give him the good treat and hold him. I don't know. It seems namby pamby from the outside but he needed me to protect him from himself. He needed a place to GO when he felt that trapped by whatever that is that makes them act like that. I gave him a place to go and it was me.
(Missing him terribly as I type this.)
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He went through a time when he got crazy about being put into his crate. Same kind of reaction. He would turn into a spitting hissing RATTLESNAKE about it.
In the mode of helping him and of being his haven, I would hold him before putting him to bed for the night, and tell him I knew he did not like this part but I would be back soon. I'd rock him like a baby. It sounds so dopey, but I really felt like he needed to have his feelings acknowledged. And honestly, just acknowledging this solved the whole problem.
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gjrcvw: Im so sorry for the loss of your boy. Im definitely going to consider what you're saying and put it to work. Thank you so much for your advice
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Thank you, Anubis. Best wishes with your little dog.
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When I dog bites hard enough to puncture, you NEED professional help. Failing that, I recently posted nothing in life is free. You need to get to it immediately. Stop raising your voice, but make him work for every single bite that goes in his mouth. No furniture, no bed, his place is his crate.
He doesn't KNOW he's in trouble, he knows you are trying to correct him and his response is PRECISELY what an alpha does to underlings… he bites. You need to have a plastic baseball bat, the soft ones or very light, so that when you tell him to get off the bed or furniture, IN AN EMERGENCY (as in if he rushes you) you can keep him off.
I'm new around here and all, but really, a baseball bat? can we not try something more civilized such as a spray bottle with water? I find a spray bottle works much better than yelling or physical punishment. The dog will not like being sprayed and will retreat.
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This dog has done damage. A plastic bat won't hurt the dog but it can keep it from hurting the owner. A plastic bat, like little kids use, can keep the dog off, give it something to bite, or swat it away if necessary. This dog wasn't doing something naughty. This dog is attacking the owner. Really huge difference.
And btw, I don't use a spray bottle. I don't think they are abusive, but I also prefer to train right behavior, not use aversion generally. Well that and in my younger days never had one I tried it on who cared.
I work with aggressive dogs and I haven't found one YET who was charging that a spray bottle would do more than make it more mad. But please note I said that's a last recourse and that a professional is always the answer once a dog has done damage.
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I fully understand that the dog was attacking. IMO I feel that a baseball bat of any sort is the wrong way to handle the situation. I also believe that if this problem is not medical related, It is,again IMO, that the problem lies in the fact that the dog does not respect the owner and feels that it can dominate her. If we were talking about a large dog such as a Pitbull I could understand the need for some type of protection. But, we are talking about a Basenji. I was only trying to suggest a method that has worked for me. My feeling towards the situation are that the dog feels that it has the upper hand in the relationship and knows that it can "get away" with it's actions by charging it's owner.
I would suggest that the owner work more with the dog to show them that they are in control and that the behavior is not acceptable. using a spray bottle will catch the dog off guard. and, at the very least, give the owner a chance to react before being bitten. once the owner gets their hands on the dogs collar she can easily hold the dog down to show that she has the upper hand. The dog may resist, but eventually will realize that the owner has more will. She may have to do this a few times but the dog will learn that it can not dominate her. again, this is all IMO! -
once the owner gets their hands on the dogs collar she can easily hold the dog down to show that she has the upper hand. The dog may resist, but eventually will realize that the owner has more will. She may have to do this a few times but the dog will learn that it can not dominate her.
This is not recommended for any basenji I know. This is NOT the way to go.
Btw, I knew gjrcvw's boy (above) and saw her work with him and saw it work. (I loved that boy very much.)
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Let me refresh what I said:
You need to have a plastic baseball bat, the soft ones or very light, so that when you tell him to get off the bed or furniture, IN AN EMERGENCY (as in if he rushes you) you can keep him off.
You act like I suggest the bat to beat the dog. Please reread. Beyond that, we'll have to agree to disagree. I suppose you haven't had a dog charge you, but I'd want more than a water bottle between me and a charging dog. And frankly, the water bottle might or might not work ONCE … probably not the 2nd time unless the dog is really bothered by it. Letting this dog continue to bite is dangerous. You act like a basenji is some fru fru 4 pound chihuahua, it isn't. They can do a lot of damage.
Whether the dog charges due to "forward flight" (ie fear biting) or aggression or because it is dominant, my concern is that the owner NOT GET BITTEN AGAIN.
The owner has had a lot of excellent advice. We'll simply not agree but I'd like you to stop acting like my suggestion was to use the bat to abuse the dog.
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Chairs, etc, are also useful in blocking a true attack. I don't have anything against a plastic bat, honestly; it's quick to grab in an emergency. (Although in an emergency, you're about as likely to grab a magazine rack or a pillow
)I didn't take your suggestion as a form of punishment, Debra, at all.
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Thank you. I mean, I'm the person who says the only use for a rolled up news paper is to hit yourself in the head while repeating "train my dog!"
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once the owner gets their hands on the dogs collar she can easily hold the dog down to show that she has the upper hand. The dog may resist, but eventually will realize that the owner has more will. She may have to do this a few times but the dog will learn that it can not dominate her.This is not recommended for any basenji I know. This is NOT the way to go.
Btw, I knew gjrcvw's boy (above) and saw her work with him and saw it work. (I loved that boy very much.)
I was so focused on the bat I missed that.
Alpha rolls, physical domination… that stuff went out with Kohler I hope. Your suggestion will result in 2 scenarios...
1. the dog chew the person badly
2. the issues escalate because physical response is the LAST thing this dog needs.Oy vey.
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Let me refresh what I said:
You act like I suggest the bat to beat the dog. Please reread. Beyond that, we'll have to agree to disagree. I suppose you haven't had a dog charge you, but I'd want more than a water bottle between me and a charging dog. And frankly, the water bottle might or might not work ONCE … probably not the 2nd time unless the dog is really bothered by it. Letting this dog continue to bite is dangerous. You act like a basenji is some fru fru 4 pound chihuahua, it isn't. They can do a lot of damage.
Whether the dog charges due to "forward flight" (ie fear biting) or aggression or because it is dominant, my concern is that the owner NOT GET BITTEN AGAIN.
The owner has had a lot of excellent advice. We'll simply not agree but I'd like you to stop acting like my suggestion was to use the bat to abuse the dog.
I am sorry, I was not intending to sound rude. I was a caught a little off guard with the baseball bat comment, thats all. I had never heard of that method before.
I am in no way a professional dog trainer and was just trying to offer my advise. I do realize you said "only as a last resort" and that you were not implying that she physically hurt the dog.. personally, I do not think I would ever use an object such as a baseball bat, even a soft one. But, I have never been put in that situation. -
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once the owner gets their hands on the dogs collar she can easily hold the dog down to show that she has the upper hand. The dog may resist, but eventually will realize that the owner has more will. She may have to do this a few times but the dog will learn that it can not dominate her.I was so focused on the bat I missed that.
Alpha rolls, physical domination… that stuff went out with Kohler I hope. Your suggestion will result in 2 scenarios...
1. the dog chew the person badly
2. the issues escalate because physical response is the LAST thing this dog needs.Oy vey.
you must have got the wrong impression of what I was trying to imply…. I realize that physically holding a dog down to the ground will only escalate the situation. I should have worded that differently.
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I guess having seen dogs who are that upset, the probability of the person getting hold of the collar without being bitten is not good.
