Under short

[Rita Jean]

Pearl please come back we all mean well.

Rita Jean

[Janneke]

Petra, you are right, but this is a forum and everybody reacts in its own way. Pearl's post did bring up a lot of questions for me personally. If Pearl doesn't want to answer them, she can ignore them and only react to the posts she does like. We don't know Pearl, so when she posts something, we can't tell how much she already knows. We react to what we read.

and of course we all hope that Pearl will keep hanging around here on the forum

[Petra]

Of, course, I agree with all you have posted, just trying to be also on Pearl?s side little bit. I know that all questions and thinkings you have posted are right, but maybe Pearl deliberates it and only wanted to know something other. Maybe. (including her language problem)

[Pearl]

Ofcourse I stay…
But I became sad when I didn't get answers on my question. All I wanted was some help "thinking"!
I have show her all summer... And the criticism was fairly good. She has been a little bit to fat.... The two latest shows she got "under short" on her criticism. The judge, on our last show, come up to my "show help" and said that it hurt her that my dogs teeths was not ok, otherwise she had but her on the topp! So I think that she is a good exampel for the Basenji apart from the teeths... I train obedience with her and she is doing very well!!! We also practise some agility (?) but just at home, for fun.
So I haven't just got an Basenji becouse I wanted to breed, but I have (as I said) breed om jack russels and I wanted to expand my kennel with Basenji, the breed that I loved for over 15years! But I have waited for the right time, and I wanted to have good dog experience before I got my first Basenji...

So mabye I did wrong.. I should just writen the stuff about the teeths..

I think that she will be staying her! I can have them separate!

[Basenjimamma]

She sounds like a lovely little girl, we would love to see pictures..;)

Could you take some pictures of her teeth like Janneke mentioned and maybe post them on here for the gals and guys on here that are knowledgeable breeders to look at..
I am glad that you are still on here..;)

[Pearl]

I shall try to gett some pictures. I tryed earlier but it didn't work. I try again later. Now I need to go to the barn….

Yes it would be nice to here what they think.

[Basenjimamma]

I have had issues with getting the pictures on here as well, and have been going through photobucket.com. It is free, you just sign up, down load your pictures into your account, once they are done, copy the img code at the bottom of your picture and paste it into your post. I hope that helps. There are various different image websites you can use, photobucket is just one of many and the only one I use, since I finally figured it out..

[Rita Jean]

Welcome again Pearl thanks for staying with us.

Rita Jean

[tanza]

@Pearl:

Ofcourse I stay…
But I became sad when I didn't get answers on my question. All I wanted was some help "thinking"!
I have show her all summer... And the criticism was fairly good. She has been a little bit to fat.... The two latest shows she got "under short" on her criticism. The judge, on our last show, come up to my "show help" and said that it hurt her that my dogs teeths was not ok, otherwise she had but her on the topp! So I think that she is a good exampel for the Basenji apart from the teeths... I train obedience with her and she is doing very well!!! We also practise some agility (?) but just at home, for fun.
So I haven't just got an Basenji becouse I wanted to breed, but I have (as I said) breed om jack russels and I wanted to expand my kennel with Basenji, the breed that I loved for over 15years! But I have waited for the right time, and I wanted to have good dog experience before I got my first Basenji...

So mabye I did wrong.. I should just writen the stuff about the teeths..

I think that she will be staying her! I can have them separate!

In my experience, teeth that are off after the adult teeth come in rarely go back to the correct position. They may get a bit better, but I have not really seen any that are correct. And since it is genetic for the most part, is you breed her you could see this problem in generations to come. Unless this bitch is an excellent representive of the breed in all others ways, I would not bred her.

[Rita Jean]

Pat just question do you know what really makes the teeth go off? I know you say it is genetic but must start some were just like our children?

Rita Jean

[tanza]

@Rita:

Pat just question do you know what really makes the teeth go off? I know you say it is genetic but must start some were just like our children?

Rita Jean

It is typically because there is a flaw in the alignment of the jaw of the dog.. We have seen in our breed a lack of "underjaw"… (it is too short)... therefore the bite can go off.... Same thing can happen if the muzzle is too snipy... and narrow...
I don't believe it is anything like children/human teeth... IMO anyway

[Rita Jean]

Thank you Pat.

Rita Jean

[ComicDom1]

@Petra:

Hi friends!
I am sure all of you just want to help Pearl. But….I do understand english well and some of you started to not answear on "teeth or fight" question, but with responsibility questions and breeding ethics. I know it belongs to all this, but maybe Pearl knows all about it and just needed some another opinion about her bitches bite.

While I think the people in this forum are attempting to help Pearl, at this point, wouldn't she be better off getting an opinion from a Vet or breed club in her country who could actually look at the teeth in question. Yes some people here might have answered with responsible breeding ethics in mind but that kind of goes along with the territory. There are many of us concerned that the Basenji Breed is preserved and responsible breeding takes place. I not think you can fault the members on this chat forum for that. I think it would be interesting to know why your friend Pearl wishes to breed Basenji's and what she thinks she can bring to the breed by doing so? It other words, does she have a specific purpose?

Jason

[Pearl]

Hi everyone! Have been away with my kids… And now I need to sleep so I'm getting up tomorrow to milk the cows...
I hope I can fix the photos tomorrow!

I understand now that I need to look much more for the "perfect" Basenji! Mabye I'm "blue eyed" who imagine that the breeder tell everything....

perhaps I shall buy an older Basenji? I really like to show them! But it looks like my little "star" never will be something to show...
Good night!

[Pearl]

But my question was IF some one know something about it!!!

[tanza]

@Pearl:

But my question was IF some one know something about it!!!

I believe a few of us have said that we didn't think it would correct itself and since it is genetic, it can come up in generations later. Unless she is excellent in all other respects I would not take the chance with breeding her.

[Pearl]

It was an reaction on DomicDom1….
I shall of course not breed on her if shes not ok!!!!!
I'm not stupid! But when I got her my plan was to expand my kennel....

[dmcarty]

Here is what is so hard about bites. Each Jaw is actually genetically in a different position on the DNA strand. If the head shape and jaw are different in the parents - you increase the odds that you will have difficulty in at least some of the puppies. That makes bad bites harder to breed out and means that you can have many generations and the dogs bites could be fine and then get one where they are not. Different combinations that produce randomly is something that breeders have trouble with.

In the US - no cosmetic adjustment is allowed to show your dog. That however has not stopped people from putting rubber bands on the teeth to pull them into alignment or consulting a doggie dentist for braces. Again - it is NOT allowed, and people who forget to take off the bands or who have any pieces or braces left when they show get in big trouble - but it is done. I have judged where a bite is quite off and a year later perfect and puppy teeth and growing were not an explanation.

If you feel that the bite interferes with her health and ability to eat for example or contributes to other dental issues - consulting with an animal dental specialist would be in order - but as you already know - not the best breeding prospect.

[renaultf1]

@dmcarty:

I have judged where a bite is quite off and a year later perfect and puppy teeth and growing were not an explanation.

Diane, so as a judge, what can you do when you have this situation. Is your only recourse to not put the dog up?

[tanza]

@renaultf1:

Diane, so as a judge, what can you do when you have this situation. Is your only recourse to not put the dog up?

Not Diane, but since it is NOT a DQ in our breed… the judge has to decide what "weight" it holds against the rest of the standard.