@Rebel - Full blood workup including full Thyroid panel (full panel no just what the normal vet workup that is not a full thyroid panel)... as they say make sure that he is in good health. Also what are you feeding him? How much total are you feeding a day? Also with reducing food, add veggies to his food to fill his belly... green beans are good to use... I use Cauliflower and Broccoli... Note also that low normal is typically too low for Basenjis.
Taking Jazz in tomorrow
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Sorry to hear about Jazzy. It sounds like your vet is great. For some reason I think we live in the same area of Washington but I may be wrong. Anyway our vet sent us to 2 wonderful specialists for the blood draws and the other metabolic stuff that is involved. ( Potassium, thyroid etc. ) The first was Dr. Lisa Dzyban who has since moved to Bellingham but is still practicing. Then we went to Dr. Cook Olson. She is at the Kitsap Animal Hospital on Central Valley road. Both have experience with Basenjis and Fanconi and both were willing to work with our vet over the phone even though we just saw them in person. I work with blood gases and metabolic studies on humans on a daily basis as my job and I had complete faith in these two.
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Sorry to hear about Jazzy. It sounds like your vet is great. For some reason I think we live in the same area of Washington but I may be wrong. Anyway our vet sent us to 2 wonderful specialists for the blood draws and the other metabolic stuff that is involved. ( Potassium, thyroid etc. ) The first was Dr. Lisa Dzyban who has since moved to Bellingham but is still practicing. Then we went to Dr. Cook Olson. She is at the Kitsap Animal Hospital on Central Valley road. Both have experience with Basenjis and Fanconi and both were willing to work with our vet over the phone even though we just saw them in person. I work with blood gases and metabolic studies on humans on a daily basis as my job and I had complete faith in these two.
We're practically neighbors – I live in Port Orchard.
My vet is Dr. Wempe at Bethel Animal Hospital in Pt.Orchard. He called this AM to give me the numbers of two clinics that can do the blood gas work, and said he's got two or three other vets he's in communication with on this. Not sure who as I didn't ask. I ran Jazz into the Emergency clinic on Durango in Tacoma; just got home a few minutes ago so haven't had time to really look over the lab report. They faxed a copy to Dr. Wempe, so I anticipate a call either today or tomorrow. He's been doing his homework and really studying up on the protocol. I feel very good about moving forward with him.
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And there is always Dr. Gonto to review the test results with also….
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And there is always Dr. Gonto to review the test results with also….
I know he's been studying the protocol, so it's entirely possible that Gonto is on his list of resources.
In my initial glance over her results, her PCo2 is HIGH – 52.0, vs the 34 - 40 that would be normal. Fanconi dogs DROP, don't they?
Her HCO3 is 23.6, so that's in the range of normal, which Gonto says is not unusual in the beginning.
PO2 is 35
Ph is 7.
BE is -3So there's something going on, and there are many more numbers to consider... but I'm really curious about the PCO2 though...
I've only just started glancing over things though, so we'll see.
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Yes, Fanconi dogs show a drop in PC02 - I'm sure Dr. Gonto can speak to what a high PC02 means…. I have no idea.
Tayda's initial test results were pretty much normal as well, so we put her on the minimal course of meds. 1 bicarb 2x/day along with all the others... it wasn't until 3 months later at the first checkup that she was upped to 4 bicarbs 2x/day.
Were you advised to start giving her meds?
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Yes, Fanconi dogs show a drop in PC02 - I'm sure Dr. Gonto can speak to what a high PC02 means…. I have no idea.
Tayda's initial test results were pretty much normal as well, so we put her on the minimal course of meds. 1 bicarb 2x/day along with all the others... it wasn't until 3 months later at the first checkup that she was upped to 4 bicarbs 2x/day.
Were you advised to start giving her meds?
Not yet. The vet wanted to wait for the blood gas results. The clinic was going to fax them over, and as I only got them today and his office is pretty busy I expect it to be a day or two before he gets back to me.
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Sounds like your vet is on top of it and that makes me so happy. Also with all of the resources and support you have in this forum all of you questions should get answered. Let me know if you have any specific questions. Like many here we had more experience with this disease than we would have ever wanted.
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Vet called this AM – he's also puzzled by the high PCO2, but Jazz had been throwing up on the ride in to the clinic {she has always been prone to carsickness, but she threw up yesterday about 4 times on the 30 minute drive}, so that may have been the problem.
He's waiting to hear back from a couple of resources, one of which is Dr. Gonto. We may try to draw blood at my vet's clinic {he's only about ten minutes away}, ice it, and have me run it to the other clinic to get a reading sans vomiting.
I do have my shopping list ready -- Pet-tabs, Pet-cal, amino fuels .....
Oh-- MarleyJo, Ph is 7.26.
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Hey Jazzysmom - how is Jazz doing on the protocol??
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Hope everything is sorted soon with Jazzy.Sounds like you have a great Vet which is reassuring .
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So far, so great! Jazz is her old self; eating well most of the time although she occasionally skips breakfast. She is taking her pills beautifully – I do the ol' pill in the peanut butter stuck on the roof of the mouth for the bicarb, she eats the tabs and cal tabs, and I am able to crush the amino and vitamins up into canned food and she is eating it just fine.
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That is great! BIG ((hugs)) to you and Jazzy!
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That's great news about Jazzy!!! You go girl!
