If Otis' parents have been Fanconi tested…

[Basenjimamma]

Tanza ,
I am hoping you will read this as I have one more question/comment. I found some other numbers for some of Otis' grandparents and I don't know if they will be helpful sor Zande's website. They are on the papers I got from my "breeder (I use that lightly)" regarding the AKC registration on the Sire and the Dame. I see that the sire and the dames number start with HP, but these other numbers I have start with HM; AKC DNA #; and AKC… I, like I said don't know if these mean anything but wanted to run it by you.

Thanks in advance, Petra

[lvoss]

HM means the dog was probably born in 2000 or before, when AKC used all the HM numbers they started using HP and some have HN numbers.

[Basenjimamma]

Ok, so the numbers sound correct? I am just trying to get some info for myself and for Sally's directory (?).
petra

[tanza]

@Basenjimamma:

Tanza ,
I am hoping you will read this as I have one more question/comment. I found some other numbers for some of Otis' grandparents and I don't know if they will be helpful sor Zande's website. They are on the papers I got from my "breeder (I use that lightly)" regarding the AKC registration on the Sire and the Dame. I see that the sire and the dames number start with HP, but these other numbers I have start with HM; AKC DNA #; and AKC… I, like I said don't know if these mean anything but wanted to run it by you.

Thanks in advance, Petra

If you are seeing an AKC DNA# that is used for parentage. It was started as a mandatory program for "Frequesntly Used Sires" (BYB's and Puppymills) to verify parentage. At the time it was started, many BYB's and Puppmillers refused to comply with the requirement thus starting many of the other registration sites that you see listed on dogs. You can read about AKC DNA testing at http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm
So, if you have pedigree on your pup and you go back far enough, usually you will find dogs that are/were AKC registered. As lvoss pointed out the HM in front of the number was last used for registration numbers by AKC around 2000.

[Basenjimamma]

Thanks for the info.

petra

[kiroja]

Yes, I have an HM98….. dog born Nov 2001. Then I have a HN01...... dog born Nov 2002. Then I jump to dogs with HP19.... born Nov & Dec 2005.

If it's an AKC registration number, it will have 2 letters followed by 8 numbers. The first 6 numbers are the litter number, the last two are each individual puppy's number. (01, 02, 03, etc.) And I think all the hounds start with "H"?

[mauigirl]

Hey BF members,

Does anyone remember this thread? Might be related? Possibly the breeder?

http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=4440

[tanza]

@mauigirl:

Hey BF members,

Does anyone remember this thread? Might be related? Possibly the breeder?

http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=4440

Good memory…. and I would guess this is the breeder

[Basenjimamma]

You mean the breeder to my dog? that is correct.

[misspodhradsky]

How old does a dog have to be to be tested for Fanconi? How old for the eyes to be Cerfed?

[lvoss]

http://www.offa.org

Type the parent's name or registration number into the search field. If they have been tested then they will show up. If not, then it will tell you cannot be found.

As an example, you can search my dog's name, Sherwood's In The Nick Of Time. You should find that there are 5 entries in the OFA database for him including Fanconi.

http://www.offa.org/results.html?all=sherwood%27s+in+the+nick+of+time

If you click on one of the links, you will be taken to his OFA record and can view all of his results and the results of his parents and offspring.

http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=789239#animal

For an example with the registration number, you can search HP13054204. You should find that there are 5 entries for her in the OFA database.

http://www.offa.org/results.html?all=HP13054204

[misspodhradsky]

@lvoss:

http://www.offa.org

Type the parent's name or registration number into the search field. If they have been tested then they will show up. If not, then it will tell you cannot be found.

As an example, you can search my dog's name, Sherwood's In The Nick Of Time. You should find that there are 5 entries in the OFA database for him including Fanconi.

http://www.offa.org/results.html?all=sherwood%27s+in+the+nick+of+time

If you click on one of the links, you will be taken to his OFA record and can view all of his results and the results of his parents and offspring.

http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=789239#animal

For an example with the registration number, you can search HP13054204. You should find that there are 5 entries for her in the OFA database.

http://www.offa.org/results.html?all=HP13054204

Thank you for this. Very helpful. So can the parents be tested and not be recorded on there? and also how old do dogs have to be to get tests done for their eyes. I know hips are 2 yrs and i believe Fanconi is whenever (right?)

[lvoss]

The parents cannot have had the Fanconi test done and not be in the database.

Eyes can be tested as young as 8 weeks old for the first time but need to be retested on a regular basis. Since eyes change with age, it is important to monitor them well into old age.

[misspodhradsky]

@lvoss:

The parents cannot have had the Fanconi test done and not be in the database.

O ok. Do they have to be tested if the mother and father are CL?

@lvoss:

Eyes can be tested as young as 8 weeks old for the first time but need to be retested on a regular basis. Since eyes change with age, it is important to monitor them well into old age.

Ok Thank you. I was curious and it makes sense i would agree to moniter them as ur rught, eyes change with age.

[Basenjimamma]

Do they have to be tested if the mother and father are CL?

Well technically no, I guess not, but since this is such a new test it is always better to be safe rather then sorry, and it is also good to have the est done so his/her results get input into the database. The more dogs we have tested the less likely a fanconi dog is to be bred..ultimate goal is no more fanconi.
I had Otis tested even though he came from a CL/CL mating..I wanted to be sure and I wanted to have one more dog in the system..

If your dog has fanconi and you catch it early on, chances of his/her life being not quite so miserable is better and we all want that right?

[misspodhradsky]

@Basenjimamma:

Well technically no, I guess not, but since this is such a new test it is always better to be safe rather then sorry, and it is also good to have the est done so his/her results get input into the database. The more dogs we have tested the less likely a fanconi dog is to be bred..ultimate goal is no more fanconi.
I had Otis tested even though he came from a CL/CL mating..I wanted to be sure and I wanted to have one more dog in the system..

If your dog has fanconi and you catch it early on, chances of his/her life being not quite so miserable is better and we all want that right?

Thank you for the reply I will get her tested just to do it. I agree more dogs in the database is better. and i DEFFINATELY agree with "NO MORE FANCONI"!! I would love for Basenjis not to have to worry about fanconi. I wish there was a way to make everyone not have carriers either. IMO, i dont think ppl should breed clears to carriers because it just makes more carriers which wont help us rid the disease any more. If i ever start breeding i am going to be sure I dont get any carriers because i want my lines to be clear/normal. i just think its better this way

[listeme]

Not breeding to carriers is a terrible thing for diversity and could endanger the breed. That kind of thinking has led to some very bad bottlenecks and outcomes.

[misspodhradsky]

@listeme:

Not breeding to carriers is a terrible thing for diversity and could endanger the breed. That kind of thinking has led to some very bad bottlenecks and outcomes.

oh really? But arent there enough (CL)s for that not to happen? I didnt realize. well thank you for letting me know. It just seemed better to have clear lines but i understand where you come from. I must have thought there were more Basenjis than there actually are.

[lvoss]

@misspodhradsky:

. IMO, i dont think ppl should breed clears to carriers because it just makes more carriers which wont help us rid the disease any more. If i ever start breeding i am going to be sure I dont get any carriers because i want my lines to be clear/normal. i just think its better this way

This is not a better way. If everyone did this, there would be terrible loss of diversity and long term it would lead to the end of the basenji breed.

Though it is true that breeding Carrier x Clear will produce carriers, it also produces clears so is a way to preserve genes from the carrier without producing affected dogs.

Here is a picture of L'Ox. He is a Clear offspring from a Carrier x Clear breeding.

[misspodhradsky]

ya actually when you put it that way, that is true. I wasnt thinking when i said that, i appologize. its just a toss up which ones are carriers and which are clear. I forget you can get clears. I just wish there was a way to breed more lines without getting carriers. But ya im sorry i shouldnt have said that, carriers do offer an array of genetics necessary to the breed.