@senjisilly just now saw your reply. Thanks for the pedigree website. I knew about it and it’s a great resource.
Pedigree
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How would you look to verify health concerns that aren't on the OFA? Is there any way to do so? I'm thinking mainly of checking for an autoimmune problem.
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Autoimmune Thyroiditis is an OFA test but it is only a semi-open database meaning only normal results are required to be listed. There is no way to currently check for other autoimmune diseases but there are some breeders who have made their dogs status public and that information can be verified if you know where to look.
OFA's position about lack of test results is that if a dog does not have a test result listed then they should be considered to have the disorder.
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Why do you people insist on the lies?
Dogs being shown with these clubs, and being involved in all of these clubs is involvement! APR has Teresa Hestekin speaking at seminars for them, this I would assume is involvement is it not?Email Teresa Hestekin directly and ask for the receipts and emails, she has proof that will knock your socks off, her proof involves many basenji club members (some not mentioned in the previous write up)
and on the website you quote: "with each puppy it clearly states: AKC registered"
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Hestekin Hills sells puppies for about $575.00 each is that high? How much are you puppies?
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People can believe what they choose to believe - I will say that I have never met at a show anyone named Lyn Evans and will also say that the basenji community in MN is so small that we all know each other - new faces are always greeted. I have not been to anywhere in Oklahoma to run in to anyone 'getting started in basenjis' in Oklahoma and seldom show outside of my immediate area - quite frankly have not been in a show ring with any basenjis for quite sometime aside from the occasional appearance with a veteran at a specialty.
The information I have gotten through the years has been directly from the website of the people in question. I have nothing to gain, no puppies to sell and no reason to make up stories and those who know me know that I am far to busy to be bothered making things up.
People can choose to listen to warning about breeders who have been less than honest or not - purchasing anything is Caveat Emptor (buyer beware). It just makes me sad to know that some of the animals purchased in spite of warnings will have sad owners on the list or other lists looking for help.
The one thing that has saved this breed from the fate of many others with horrid genetic diseases is open and honest sharing of information. I hope it can continue
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https://www.akc.org/pdfs/AKC_code_of_sportsmanship.pdf
AKC Code of Sportsmanship link for those who wish to read it!And here is another interesting quote from Hestekin Hills website:
Dog showing can be an entertaining sport, it should be fun for the experienced and also the beginner. I personally feel that it is highly unethical to openly attack, embarrass or belittle anyone whether they are experienced in the ring or a new comer to the ring. Why can't we all be good sports about showing and competing? Yes showing is a sport, it can be very competitive, but sometimes I can't help wondering where the "SPORT" in sportsmanship ever went?Link here to read: AKC Code of Sportsmanship: https://www.akc.org/pdfs/AKC_code_of_sportsmanship.pdf
I do not make the practice of bad mouthing other breeders, and I will not answer personal questions about other breeders. I will however offer my aid with any problems concerning health, behavior, house training or any other puppy issue you may encounter, whether the puppy was from me or another breeder is not the issue. It is important that you get the best possible dog you can as a dog of any breed is a lifetime commitment. A well bred puppy will hopefully save you expensive vet bills and the heartache of health problems in your time together.
The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
-AnonymousCHOOSING A BREEDER: Choosing a breeder is totally up to the purchaser. It is highly unethical to openly attack another breeder to anyone, and if you find one of these sorts of breeders I recommend staying clear of them. Please do not email me asking me about another breeder or what I think of their dogs, it honestly is up to you to make that determination of which breeder you want to deal with. It is not my place to judge the creditability or honesty of any breeder.
You can read more online at: http://hestekinhills.com/Ba6.htm
Hmmm someone out there has standards!
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I don't know if tar9091 is Teresa Hestekin talking about herself in the third person or someone else who has chosen to use the same ID as Teresa's email address. To whomever it may, if anyone has gotten the idea that Teresa Hestekin uses alternative registries it is from Teresa's own site that they would have gotten that impression. http://www.hestekinhills.com/Baa.htm
It clearly states as point 1 of My Affliations and Registries that Teresa Hestekin is in good standing with AKC, APR, UKC, CKC, RKF, UKCI, and more, how can you be in good standing with an organization you do not use or are not a part of?
I have no idea which side is telling the truth but would urge anyone to do their own research and look for verifiable facts such as using the OFA database to confirm health testing is done, making sure that both parents of any litter are clearly listed by either registered name or number so they can be looked up in the AKC and OFA database.
And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.
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Hello -heard I was mentioned here thought I'd check in…
The answer to the previous question - my dogs came from South Dakota (that breeder is no longer breeding)
I went to a couple shows WI and MN and never met a basenji breeder I cared to keep in contact with - quit the breed - due to mean people! All is true!
Signing out now - as I don't care to bash people like the rest of you! -
Let's stay on topic and please keep it civil. Bashing other members and posting personal emails is not allowed here.
This is a forum for the discussion of Basenjis, not a dueling society. If you feel attacked, please report it to the admin and then ignore the poster. The moderator will take care of the situation. Remember, however much you were provoked, if you attack a poster personally then you are just as guilty of breaking the rules.
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And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.
So Pat Fragassi of Tanza Basenjis what you are saying is that the sire and dam you list on your AKC papers is not the actual sire and dam to the puppies you place on these AKC papers? Why would you do this? Would you not be kicked out of AKC for doing this? Everyone with a puppy should DNA it to find out who it's parents are as it appears some Basenji club breeders might not be putting down the right parents right? Again, why would you do this?
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No, what she is saying is that buyers should look for parents that have AKC DNA profiles so they can verify independently by doing their own DNA profile and requesting and AKC DNA certified pedigree that their puppy really is from the parents stated on the papers.
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so you are saying that all breeders are lying on their AKC papers then right?
Why would breeders lie about who the parents to a litter really are?Is this something that all Basenji club breeders are told to do?
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oh, dah, it just hit me: you put down that the parents are from champion _____, when the pups really are not from that champion at all but some unknown dog! Still would you not get in trouble with the kennel club for that?
I can see the idea here, your champion female would not get saggy and fat…Why would you not just be truthful and say who the correct parents are though? Is it really that big of a deal?
If you are going to take the time, effort and money to register the litter wouldn't you be honest enough to list the right parents?
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So Pat Fragassi of Tanza Basenjis what you are saying is that the sire and dam you list on your AKC papers is not the actual sire and dam to the puppies you place on these AKC papers? Why would you do this? Would you not be kicked out of AKC for doing this? Everyone with a puppy should DNA it to find out who it's parents are as it appears some Basenji club breeders might not be putting down the right parents right? Again, why would you do this?
Give me a break, that is not what I said, I said that people wanting a puppy should not only check OFA for health testing, but that the Sire and Dam are DNA'ed also to verify parentage. Did I make any reference to myself? I think not and in fact, I didn't even make any reference to you…
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oh, dah, it just hit me: you put down that the parents are from champion _____, when the pups really are not from that champion at all but some unknown dog! Still would you not get in trouble with the kennel club for that?
I can see the idea here, your champion female would not get saggy and fat…Why would you not just be truthful and say who the correct parents are though? Is it really that big of a deal?
If you are going to take the time, effort and money to register the litter wouldn't you be honest enough to list the right parents?
Seems to me like you know more about all the things you "could" do then I could ever come up with???
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And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.
Seems to me like you know more about all the things you "could" do then I could ever come up with???
If that were the case all puppies would be from your champion dogs! Oh wait, yours are though are they not?
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What are you talking about, what does being a Champion have to do with obtaining a DNA Parentage Profile? Your posts don't make any sense.
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And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.
In your post you said (shown above) What I was asking was why would any breeder fib about who the pups parents are? What is to be gained? And why would anyone actually do that?
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If that were the case all puppies would be from your champion dogs! Oh wait, yours are though are they not?
Or at least your paperwork says they are, hmmm now I wonder.Yes, puppies that I have bred or co-bred with the exception of one parent from one litter are from Champion Parents with DNA profiles with AKC. Easy enough to check, as the offspring has been DNA also, proving that their parents are their parents as listed.
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and you went as far as to varify the pups DNA because you didn't know for sure who the parents were or ??
