Unfortunately for us Maia has never done well with chicken, she loves it and eats it but it gives her diarrhea and seems to mess up her over all health. We did blood work again and her liver enzymes decreased by 30% which is great! Her actual health though is not so good so that is bad. We can get her to eat which is good, but the food control is not great salmon, ham(boiled a few times to remove the salt), breaded cauliflower, Mac and cheese. Whatever we can get her to eat. It’s crazy! We have her booked with a chiropractor to check her nerve function and we are ready to get prednisone going if it is ibd. We are working closely with our vet daily, she currently is on metronidazole and amoxicillin and gabapentin. Thursday I thought we were going to lose her and she has rallied. I hate optimism as I don’t do well with a broken heart but I am hoping for the best right now. She is on 2 billion probiotic per day as well. Every bite of food I can get into her I think, ok 1 more day at least. If I have to spend all day hand feeding her, I will. She is finally sleeping and twitching a little less! She is going up and down stairs ok, not great but ok and she is no longer falling over. We are far from out of the woods but I have seen some small improvements. Thank you all for your words, encouragement, advice and stories of what you have gone through. It is tremendous to me how kind you are. Thank you for taking some time out of your day and trying to help! We so appreciate it. Mai Mai means the entire world to us and every word, suggestion, or story we take into account and thank you so much for being such a loving wonderful community. With lock down and a sick pup we feel quite overwhelmed, so thank you!
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I am so very sorry for your loss.
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Don't be too hard on yourself Vicki, you took Cinnamon to 3 vets. That's a very good effort! I'm sure Cinnamon knows you were trying to help her. We just don't think too much about the liver. I was lucky because my breeder friend, Susan recommended the diet. This was after the vet visit. I wasn't even thinking about the liver and I thought well it couldn't hurt. The organ can become overworked and toxic over time.
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I know how you feel, Vicki. I recently lost my Eski to kidney failure. I completely missed some of the early warning signs. By the time we figured it out he was pretty far gone. He was a rescue and I had him for about 15 years.
You gave Cinnamon a good life, and a great momma!! Well done, she appreciated it I am sure.
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Thank you for your kind words.
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Some of the members here probably read the story of my boy Senji and his liver disease. Around New Year's of 2007, he stopped eating, and by the time I got him to the vet, he stopped drinking too. (I was squirting water in his mouth with a syringe.) I had to find a new vet, since his old vet was too far away. BTW, his last check-up at the old vet was 6 months prior, and they never ran blood tests on him other than to check for heartworm. The new vet diagnosed him right off the bat. Put him on a bunch of meds and a lower protein diet. His meds included milk thistle, Sam-E, vitamin E, prednisone, an antibiotic, pepcid, and ursodiol. The vet thought he wouldn't live 6 months. Senji acts like a young pup when he's running around outside. Currently, he only takes the ursodiol and pepcid daily. His cirrhosis was so bad, his liver was shrunk down to 1/3 the normal size. Ironically, I'm taking him to the vet tomorrow, so we'll see how his liver enzymes are holding up.
As for diet, he gets white meat chicken and turkey plus pasta or rice and vegetables. I grind up some of the meat to hide his pills. I also add some Pedigree dry dog food to the mix. If I don't, he gets the runs. He can't eat any organ meat or beef, pork or lamb. It makes him sick. He also gets a scrambled egg, low-fat cottage cheese or yogurt once in a while.
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Milk Thistle is great for liver problems… as is Thorne Hepagen-C... my Kristii, who grows non-cancer tumors on her liver had one remove (the size of a grapefruit 2yrs ago) still to this day has liver values off the chart... but is doing great... just on these two supplements. Seems that she is genetic to liver problems as all but one that I know of in her litter died of liver problems... (and I am her breeder and she was never bred).... so there is hope for liver problems... and the great thing about the liver is that it will "re-grow".....
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Mine is taking Denamarin:
Denamarin is a liver supplement for dogs or cats containing S-Adenosylmethionine (SAMe) and silybin. When liver function is compromised, the exact cause can often be difficult to determine. Supporting the liver, regardless of the cause, is essential if function is to be improved. Administering SAMe, which is found in Denamarin, has been shown to markedly increase liver glutathione levels2,3, a potent antioxidant formed when cats and dogs metabolize SAMe. The SAMe in Denamarin has also been shown to help protect liver cells from cell death4,5 and may help cell repair and regeneration.1 Denamarin also helps support your pet's liver through the administration of silybin. Silybin is the most active part of an extract from milk thistle known as silymarin. Silybin/silymarin has been shown to support liver function by acting as an antioxidant. Silybin also stimulates the flow of bile through the liver to aid in the digestion and absorption of nutrients from your pet's diet. Silybin also helps with liver cell regeneration and may enhance levels of glutathione, the liver's major “detoxifying” agent. Denamarin has no known side-effects and your veterinarian can evaluate the length of support needed through follow-up examinations, blood work, and/or other laboratory work. At home, you can watch for improvements in your pet's attitude, appetite, and activity level.
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I've never heard of Denamarin. Is that a prescription product or do I have to go to a "holistic" vet? Senji just had his vet appointment last night. His liver enzymes were stable, but the vet said that he's developing kidney disease. Being that he's a basenji, does this mean he has Fanconi's? He'll be 13 years old. She wants me to buy a prescription dog food for him for kidney problems. I have a feeling it's probably Science Diet. I know Senji won't eat that junk…he was on their liver formula before, and would rather starve than eat it. I don't know if I can follow the Fanconi protocol. It seems high protein and Senji needs a lower protein diet so that his liver isn't stressed. I don't know what to do.
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I've never heard of Denamarin. Is that a prescription product or do I have to go to a "holistic" vet? Senji just had his vet appointment last night. His liver enzymes were stable, but the vet said that he's developing kidney disease. Being that he's a basenji, does this mean he has Fanconi's? He'll be 13 years old. She wants me to buy a prescription dog food for him for kidney problems. I have a feeling it's probably Science Diet. I know Senji won't eat that junk…he was on their liver formula before, and would rather starve than eat it. I don't know if I can follow the Fanconi protocol. It seems high protein and Senji needs a lower protein diet so that his liver isn't stressed. I don't know what to do.
If his kidney values are in decline at age 13, then that is due to old age… If Fanconi, he would be spilling sugar in his urine... did the Vet check for that? However, at his age, I would be very suprised if this was Fanconi. It is not unusual for an old dog to develope kidney problems. My Maggii was in renal failure the last 1 1/2 of her life... (at 15 to almost 17).. and now I have OJ at 17 that is in semi renal failure... but that is due to age... not Fanconi. There is medication for decreased kidney function.. it is called Azodyl. Check it out on the web and ask your Vet about it.... and you can buy on the web and it might be cheaper then what your Vet might charge. Also if really in renal failure or close to it.. SubQ fluids can be given at home and it is not that hard to do...
In regards to lower protein.. you know that there are ongoing debates if these is really true or not... my 17yr old is on EVO.. pure meat... so obviously not low protein...And your right, the food usually from SD for Kidney the first thing listed is corn... been there, done that... too bad that dog had allergies to corn and what a complete mess that was.... and again... I would look into the Azodyl... I use it.. and it has stablized the kidney values in my 15 and 17yr old... at least for the time being...
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I got Denamarin from the vet. You can get it from Amazon too or anybody on the web. Here's the link.
