To those of you that are having problems with mouthing, holding the muzzle is not a good solution. Substitute a toy for your "body parts" or totally ignore the pup and the minute that the pup settles down, praise.
BIG problems with Jack…
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I can suggest some good books, for less than $20 each, that will help you learn about your dog. Let me know if you are interested.
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Please, for jack's sake, correct the behavior before it becomes a problem.
Crate train, if you havn't already.
Be the alpha. The times of feeling sorry for jack are over. If you don't correct the problem now, at best you face a liklihood of having a crotchety 12year old jack that has to be put down for biting a child simply because he was irritated, and it was never really a corrected behavior.
This, my friend, is not an untravelled road.
Your vet obviously knows nothing about basenji behavior. I personally have had brat dogs that bit, and bit hard. With help of a behaviourist, and yes, some prayer, my boy Taz has gone over 2 years bite free.
Curiousity: How much for the behaviorist?
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Oh, honey, I can tell you love this dog. You will NOT Like this post..I am sorry.
I have to be the voice of reality.
IF Jack bites someone or your child BRAT And NO other rescue group can take him.
The hospital whoever he bites badly, will need medical help will make a report and then this will be TOTALLY out of your hands.
So, please, make sure this doesn't happen.
Use a crate, with nice chewies when folks come over.
Make sure you are always with the baby and Jack.
Again, I am very sorry….but IMO, getting someone in the house to check out Jack's behavior is going to be less expensive and stressful, than if the authorities come in.
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I wish my parents could but they are going thru a divorce…so...Actually Jack responds REALLY well to the Alfa dog "training" Positive guidence has NO effect on him at all and a tap on the nose or on the butt doesnt either, i think thats because he was abused before. But if I growl at him when hes too close when im eating, he walks away. and when hes being bad, (like tearing into the bathroom trash a loud "hey" or "No Jack" works, and he tucks his tail and goes to his bed and lays down. He has bittin one person (before the baby) our neighbor Steve it was a nip that almost got his skin (he got his shirt) and when my mom (a dog trainer) tried the "alfa dog" approach while she was eating she growled at him and he growled back then she went to grab him by the hackles area and he went to bite her, he missed...but that was days after the baby and i were home and my mom and granma were there (strangers to him). Jack cant be crated unfortunatly, we will bite and paw at the bars of the cage until he makes himself bleed...so thats why we use the caged mussle when strangers are here...he is doing better...i just dont know even if i can afford a behaviorist some day, if it will be able to help...i need the Dog Whisperer!!!!! yeah....im going to email him, lol...I have been doing my own research too on basenji behavior as well. But trust me we are doing something about it...we are NOT taking it lightly. We will just see...
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Oh and it costs (cheapest in our area and there are only two places) is 100$ an hour!!
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I'm not going to offer you any advice because I don't really have any and I'm a new basenji owner and a novice when it comes to their quirks. I just want to say I feel really really sorry for you having to go through this and having your joy over the birth of your first child dampened. I really hope that things work out well for you both, your darling new son, and the dog you also love. I will say that our first dog loathed our first child when she was born. He never tried to harm the baby but it was quite clear that he would assist any intruder who might have been willing to kidnap the little interloper! He learned to live with the baby (and her 2 siblings that came along later) and the children learned early on to just leave the dog alone. The dog was really cranky immediately after each child was born but eventually settled down. When the 3rd child was born, he was so upset that he developed horrible diarrhea. I swear, every time the dog looked at me and the baby, he pooped! :eek: I had a belly full of stitches from a c-section; a new baby; a 5 and 7 year old; a husband in the Army who was out in the field; I wasn't allowed to drive yet; AND we were living in Germany far away from either family. I really had neither the time or patience for canine dramatics! I finally took a bottle of Kaopectate and a syringe and every time the dog pooped, I squirted kaopectate into his mouth. His poop actually turned white from all the kaopectate!! He finally decided the baby was there to stay and he might as well give up the diarrhea warfare!
I sincerely hope that things settle down for you and that Jack settles down. Good luck.
Pat
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Thanks Pat!!
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I have to agree with the others, if you find a nice home for Jack now, it just might be the best for all involved. It might save Jacks life if he does bite and has to be put down.
The real problem is going to be when the baby becomes a grab happy wobbly toddler and grabs jacks tail, stares him in the eye- which WILL result in biting
I think no one here thinks you would be a bad owner by finding Jack a new home.
$100 an hour?
We all need to become dog trainers! Business must be good for people to drop that kind of money
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No kidding, i was thinking like 50 buck total….yea right! It will take me some time i dont know if i have the strength to get rid of my Jackers.........
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I have to agree with the others, if you find a nice home for Jack now, it just might be the best for all involved. It might save Jacks life if he does bite and has to be put down.
The real problem is going to be when the baby becomes a grab happy wobbly toddler and grabs jacks tail, stares him in the eye- which WILL result in biting
I think no one here thinks you would be a bad owner by finding Jack a new home.
$100 an hour?
We all need to become dog trainers! Business must be good for people to drop that kind of money
Most trainers don't make anywhere near that much per hour…behaviorists make more than trainers per hour, as they should, they have more education, and more expertise.
There is A LOT of work that goes into a one hour session dealing with aggression....I think $100 is certainly worth it, if the alternative is giving up, or euthanizing the dog. I have paid that for a consulation for Ivy, and I would do it again in a minute.
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No kidding, i was thinking like 50 buck total….yea right! It will take me some time i dont know if i have the strength to get rid of my Jackers.........
All I can say, is you get what you pay for
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Yes, if one $100 visit can guarantee changing a dogs aggressive behavior it would be well worth it.
The problem is do they know Basenji's and can they guarantee their work and in how many visits ?
However, my experience is so far, that my dog will always be a drawing blood biter, the only thing we can do is control the situations that set him off and crate him when ANYONE comes over. I dont take chances. That really works for us. We have him under control the best we can.
The problem becomes the unexpected happening (which does) and you end up with an incident on your hands, which is why I end up agreeing to place the dog elsewhere. This is even more true since Jack can't be crated. At least I can crate my dog and everyone is safe.
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I just posted an update to a thread, http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=531 where I consulted with a behaviorist on the phone. It cost nothing, but if I wanted her to come over, the fee would be $95/hr for initial consultation. $75/hr for additional visits. I looked up the behaviorist from this address:
http://www.iaabc.org/c_locator_dogs_ne.htm
The behaviorist also does animal rescue, so I imagine the last thing she'd want to do is pick up another animal to rehome. So I was thinking . . . would you be able call an animal rescue group in your vicinity and ask for help in advice or a referral? Sometimes resources can be had just by asking. Your vet wasn't much help, but it's good you asked. This forum is an amazing resource, for instance.
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All I can say, is you get what you pay for
I've got to agree with andrea on this one. Behaviorists are soooo cool. You would not regret spending the money afterwards.
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Good. Ill keep that in mind. Im going to call around. I was wondering if maybe BRAT would be able to point me in the right position…Ill have to give them a call as well
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We all can see how much you care about Jack.
We care enough for you to tell you the issues we are concerned about…for you and for Jack.
I so hope you find a behaviorist who can help you.
In my experience, I have found the only way I can trust a dog who bites is to structure my house/life so he isn't given the chance to do so. -
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Exactly, Sharron....I was trying to say that, and couldn't find the right words. It is a lot of work, isn't it.... -
Having done basenji rescue for years, I have found that some dogs will bite, and then stop…its rare, but we just had a young basenji who did just that.
However, the norm is that a biter is a biter and they have learned that to
help them cope with whatever stressers are pushing their buttons.
All you can do, to make sure it doesn't happen, is figure out what is causing the biting and not do it...or work with a professional to make this behavior
something the dog can handle.
Keep the dog "safe" when others are around, and manage the dog so that he is not given a chance to bite, or put him to sleep.
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Hi Sharon, it's me Lynne the one with Shiloh. Everytime Jack growls or shows any signs of aggression I would say "Ouch!" and ignore him and act sad and disappointed. Dogs behavior is based off attention, and even negative attention is still attention. This will give him a command that means no aggression or biting, and will take away the reward (attention - even if it's negative attention from you). Also, communicate with him as you would any person or child, and let him know what is going on and that people will be coming and going from the house and that they will come, but they will leave, but that you, aiden the baby, jack, …will stay at the house- make sure you say it in those terms. Also, sit alone with Jack and do a visualization of a house with different rooms I would recommend talking your way through the visualization - "We live in this house Jack and you and I come in the front door and there's a bedroom upstairs, there's a bedroom down the hall, and then as we turn left there's a bedroom that is just for you. Now we're walking in the bedroom and...." Now fill the room up with all his favorite things and things that are just for Jack and that house represents your heart and the bedrooms are all parts of your heart and the baby has a bedroom, and your other child (if you have one) has a bedroom, and Jack has a bedroom too. You do this for all of your animals so that they know that they still have their special place in your heart that is just for them. You visualize it and you verbalize it - animals do understand what we say, but we have to say things in the positive sense if you say the friends and family are not moving in the animals get a picture of friends and family moving in you need to say everything in a positive way "the friends and family are coming (they get the picture of the people coming) and then the friends and family will leave, but me, and baby aiden, and dad, you, and ....we are all staying here together." Animals also communicate telepathically with you, and this is where the visualization helps as well. Try to create a special place for Jack that is Jack's place - a bedroom, a laundry room, whatever it is that has a great bed, and great toys, etc...Let Jack know that you want him to be nice to everybody so that he can get lots of love and be with the group, and if he does not, then he will have to wear the muzzle for a little while. Give him the choice every time, and remember to say Ouch before you would put the muzzle on. When he's being good thank him for being so nice and good and that you love that you can all be together and get along. He's trying to keep his place in the family - he's not being mean he's being scared that he will have to leave because there will be no room for him - he's trying to keep his place and keep your love. Don't be scared of him because then you have just relinquished your alpha position - you are the one in control even when he's doing that. You could also use a timeout instead of a muzzle - and just let him know that is the consequence. You don't want to punish him for being scared, but you want to make sure he learns that it's not acceptable and that he has his special place with you always and that he is loved and will stay with you. Be consistent, and I think he'll be fine. Also, I would get a kong toy and fill it up with peanut butter or whatever he really likes, and that will keep him occupied and busy and having fun, and you could maybe set up a crate with a bed in it and put the kong toy inside it - leave the crate open, but let him go in and be in his little special cave with his cool toy.
~Happy Thanksgiving~
