New foundation stock approved
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wrote on 5 Jun 2011, 13:39 last edited by
Congratulations to Lisa Saban on the official registration of Ntomba Lokoso as AKC Foundation Stock.
Congratulations to Bryan and Laurie Gregory on the official registration of Ntomba Mosika as AKC Foundation Stock.
I haven't seen any announcement or communications about this but understand that the formal ballot count was completed two weeks ago. I missed the notification. So, please accept my belated best wishes.
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wrote on 5 Jun 2011, 15:08 last edited by
Yay! Congratulations to Lisa, Bryan, Laurie, and everybody else involved in that import!
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wrote on 5 Jun 2011, 16:41 last edited by
Dr Jo,
I love Lokoso, Lisa Saban's girl. She is just a neat b. To hear her broooooooo is to get a face smile that won't quit.
She will make some lovely puppies for some happy folks. I hope, one day, to have one of her babies. Time will tell.
Thanks so much for posting this. -
wrote on 5 Jun 2011, 17:07 last edited by
Big congrats to Lisa, Bryan and Laurie. It will be great to see puppies from these dogs!
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wrote on 5 Jun 2011, 17:36 last edited by
Oh wow! Can someone find and post links to the pictures?
Congrats indeed!
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wrote on 5 Jun 2011, 17:56 last edited by
https://www.basenji.org/NativeStock/Applicants/List2011.htm
Here ya go, Debra…that should cover it all....
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Congrats to them all..very good news indeed. :D
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I love how detailed and transparent this process appears, even to non-specialists like me. Congrats to all!
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 01:45 last edited by
Well at the risk of being negative, I am not one that would agree that these dogs should have been accepted. And I will say in public that I did not vote for them. Again, that is just my opinion. I congratulate their efforts however in making the trip and doing health testing.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 11:34 last edited by
Well at the risk of being negative, I am not one that would agree that these dogs should have been accepted. And I will say in public that I did not vote for them.
Just curious Pat, have you seen them in person or only pictures of them?
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 15:04 last edited by
Andrea thanks! I remembered there was a page for those, just didn't remember where and have been up to my butt in stuff here.
Well I looked at pics, evaluations by 2 judges and one breeder each… looked at health clearances/testing for fanconi, etc. I am not overly impressed with Mosika's pics... but find no reason for not approving. Can you tell us why you think they shouldn't be? You have a right to your opinion and it certainly helps educate those of us who are not breeders on differing opinions about why dogs should or should not be admitted.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 19:58 last edited by
The first question that I ask myself is "Would I use those dogs in a breeding program of mine" the answer is no, so if I would not use them, I can't vote them into the stud books. I think that of the ones they brought back, these two barely have Basenji type, the others none… and since they all came from the same area, that leads me to believe that the majority of the dogs in that area are more of a mix of nice village dogs then of real Basenji type.
And before anyone jumps up and down that I am against the Afs... please note that I am very proud to be a co-breeder and co-owner of a 1/2 Avongara bred bitch, who I think is lovely and has a great deal to offer the breed.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 20:23 last edited by
I think that of the ones they brought back, these two barely have Basenji type, the others none… and since they all came from the same area, that leads me to believe that the majority of the dogs in that area are more of a mix of nice village dogs then of real Basenji type.
Since Ntomba Mosika is a dog and Ntomba Lokoso is a bitch, I can only assume that they will do a test breeding with them to see what is really there … as I did with the Lukuru's and Bev Bland did with the Avongara's. Certainly since they come from a regional gene pool that has inconsistent, and varying type; the only way to really know what is there is to test breed.
It will be great to see where they go with these two.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 21:09 last edited by
@JoT:
Since Ntomba Mosika is a dog and Ntomba Lokoso is a bitch, I can only assume that they will do a test breeding with them to see what is really there … as I did with the Lukuru's and Bev Bland did with the Avongara's. Certainly since they come from a regional gene pool that has inconsistent, and varying type; the only way to really know what is there is to test breed.
It will be great to see where they go with these two.
Interesting point Jo and yes, it will be interesting to see if that is what happens and what the offspring brings to the plate.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 22:51 last edited by
I was with Lisa when we went to the last year nationals. She had Lokoso evaled by many long term breeders. I won't name them, but you know them.
They were all very impressed by Lokoso and thought she would be very good for the bred.
As these folks saw her and went over her, Lisa considered their their advice re pros and cons. The only negative that was mentioned re Lokoso is that she is a large girl.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 23:09 last edited by
I think this is a kind of self regulating proposition. If they do test breed, or if people who incorporate these dogs into their breeding programs find that they are producing dogs with non-basenji traits, no one will use them anymore. I have faith that includes the importers as well.
I don't know if I would use these dogs in a breeding program either, but I recognize that there is room in the breed fancy for people to do different things, all within the scope of 'good for the breed'. And I think adding more genetic diversity is definitely good for the breed. Apparently, the members who voted felt the same way, because it was a landslide in favor of including these dogs…not nearly as close as I thought it was going to be...approx 75% for and %25 against.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2011, 23:10 last edited by
Oh, I wanted to add that this input by the long term breeders is why my Miss Wheat is fixed and a pet. They felt that she didn't have anything to add to the breed and Lisa listened to what they said.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2011, 00:21 last edited by
Sharron,
I am so very happy that you have Miss Wheat and that she has you. Thinking of you two always makes me smile. -
wrote on 7 Jun 2011, 01:04 last edited by
Oh, Dr. Jo. She was meant to be at my home. She is a true delight and we are now working on agility for her. She is queen of the A frame! laugh. I love the african's. They are joyous dogs indeed.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2011, 17:27 last edited by
Just an idea, but has BCOA ever considered requiring a test breeding and evaluate the pups before approving sire/dam?
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