One other note about chest 'dropping' (and why did dog people start using that term - it sort of conjurs up visions of dog parts falling off in the yard) One the the biggest problems in basenjis fronts right now is those that are too narrow and have a concave area between the front legs. I'm NOT advocating a front like a bull terrier but there needs to be some 'fill' there to have a good front but it's not the fill it is the actual structure of the bones in the shoulder and upper arm that - if not correct- actally pull the 'front' too far forward. A quick visual scan from the side - if the deepest part of the brisket is well behind the legs - the front is too far forward. We need to pay attention to the actual shoulder structure to make sure we are not continuing to double up on dogs with a short upper arm. That limits front reach, and creates a not efficient side gait. So go catch your dogs and do a quick check - measure from the top of the wither to the point of shoulder (the most prominant bone in the chest.) then from that point to the point of the elbow. They should be the same. if they are not - stand up your dog and put your hand between the front legs - if you hand is IN FRONT OF THE FRONT LEGS - great - if your hand is between the front legs the front on your dog is too far foward.
More than you ever wanted to know probably - LOL
Blaze's Test Results
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We received Blaze's test results in the mail today…probably carrier. I must admit I was a bit surprised at the results since both of his parents tested clear. We won't be breeding him, so that won't be a concern (in fact, he'll be going in at the end of June to be neutered).
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Probable carrier is still a great result.
Remember that you should monthly strip test him to make sure you can catch if he is spilling sugar in his urine. How old is Blaze? -
You might want to contact Dr. Johnson’s lab and inform Liz Hansen. The email address is HansenL@missouri.edu or the telephone number: 573-884-3712
They would be able to explain and answer any questions.Do continue to strip test.
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Yes, for sure, please contact Dr Johnson's lab… with results that are not what would be expected.
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Blaze is just past 5 months old, so no strip testing yet. We will, of course, do it starting at age 3 (or is that 2?).
I will contact Dr. Johnson's lab.
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You might want to also contact his breeder and let them know as well since the results are different than expected.
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You might want to also contact his breeder and let them know as well since the results are different than expected.
Yes, that's one of the first things I did after getting the results.
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Hi Linda,
I'm sorry the results weren't what you expected but glad it isn't worse for Blaze. I was curious how it works when something like this happens. Did the lab let you know the results did not match the parents testing? I assume the lab (certainly the OFFA) has the data base linked to Blaze's parents and the mismatch shows up when they post results, so I was curious if they notified you regarding retesting or what the procedure is. After all Blaze's test could be wrong couldn't it? I will certainly hope so. Hope it all gets straightened out for you soon and that it's good news.
Therese -
Yes, I agree with Therese, could be that there was a lab error. Seeing that there is a carrier on both sides of the grand parents, could be there was an error on the sire and dam too. I would be interested to hear the answers to Therese's questions as I am sure many others here would be too.
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@Therese:
Hi Linda,
Did the lab let you know the results did not match the parents testing? I assume the lab (certainly the OFFA) has the data base linked to Blaze's parents and the mismatch shows up when they post results, so I was curious if they notified you regarding retesting or what the procedure is.I got absolutely no communications from the lab until I received the OFA certificate in the mail yesterday. I was expecting them to contact me via email, as I thought others had said they'd been contacted via email with their test results, but perhaps I'm not remembering correctly.
At any rate, I've emailed Liz Hansen at the lab, so it will be interesting to see what kind of response I get back.
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From what I understand, Jon Curby is already aware of the results not being what is expected. You might want to email Jon also "Jon Curby"
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Linda,
I'm surprised, I guess I thought that the data base at OFFA would catch these kinds of things and they could retest or double check. I'm not a lab expert so what do I know. I hope for Blaze and his breeders sake its just a mix up and will be straightened out. Good for you for staying on top of it and contacting the lab.
Good Luck Blaze!
Therese -
From what I understand, Jon Curby is already aware of the results not being what is expected. You might want to email Jon also "Jon Curby"
Will do.
I would guess that Tari has also contact Jon?
She said she was going to contact Jon concerning how to go about having the tests double checked. I'm not sure if she meant just Blaze's test or all three of the Basenjis involved.
As far as the emailing of results, did you happen to check your junk/spam mail? I seem to remember a couple of times my results ended up in there....
I do check my junk folder once a day or so just for those rare legitimate emails that get sent there. I never noticed one from OFFA, but I supposed if there were 30, 40, or more junk emails when I checked, I could have overlooked it.
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I would think that they will retest the sire and dam, along with any other siblings to start with. And also re-test your boy.
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Yes, I agree with Therese, could be that there was a lab error. Seeing that there is a carrier on both sides of the grand parents, could be there was an error on the sire and dam too.
Depending on how long ago the parents were tested, I'd think a retest would be a great idea.
I wonder if OFA actually has a computer program set to to note such unexpected results? Somehow I doubt it, but please please contact them with heads up as these are the kind of things that will help them refine the testing and sure as heck is critical for statistics.
@Therese:
Linda,
I'm surprised, I guess I thought that the data base at OFFA would catch these kinds of things and they could retest or double check.
ThereseBecause this is a linkage tests, these things WILL happen. Remember, Gonto's own dog tested probable carrier, but has Fanconi. EDIT: I thought the dog was definitely from a probably clear/probable carrier, but seems parents' status may not be confirmed.
How long did it take, Linda? I sent in Arwen's and Cara's last Monday, shows delivered WED, yet OFA web site has them as delivered yesterday. I am wondering if that means the results, or if they actually took that many days just to log them in?
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How long did it take, Linda?
I mailed the swab on Monday, May 9. It was received at OFFA on Wednesday, May 11. I received the results by mail yesterday, May 31…so 3 weeks from the time they received the swab to the time I received the test results.
I did check online once (don't remember exactly when), but there were no results posted. Then I forgot all about checking online again, so don't know if the results would have been available to me there.
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I've emailed Rose Marie Holt from BCOA, Liz Hansen from the lab, and Jon Curby at OFFA regarding Blaze's test results. Rose Marie sent me a return email thanking me for letting BCOA know of the inconsistent results. I haven't heard anything yet from either Liz or Jon.
However, Blaze's breeder did hear from Jon after she contact him. Here is a portion of the email I received from her:
he replied that the questionable test was already reported to him and the puppy and the parents tests are going to be retested this week. He said that to date, 1100 tests have come back as questionable because of the same type scenario and all the retests have cleared up the question by finding an error on the parents' tests or the retest on the pup came back as clear the second time. He said to date, only 2 retests have remained with the same results and to date are unexplained.
Since nothing was said about sending out new swabs, it sounds as though they save a portion of the swab card that was sent to them so that they can do retesting.
I'll be interested in finding out the results!
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I've emailed Rose Marie Holt from BCOA, Liz Hansen from the lab, and Jon Curby at OFFA regarding Blaze's test results. Rose Marie sent me a return email thanking me for letting BCOA know of the inconsistent results. I haven't heard anything yet from either Liz or Jon.
However, Blaze's breeder did hear from Jon after she contact him. Here is a portion of the email I received from her:
he replied that the questionable test was already reported to him and the puppy and the parents tests are going to be retested this week. He said that to date, 1100 tests have come back as questionable because of the same type scenario and all the retests have cleared up the question by finding an error on the parents' tests or the retest on the pup came back as clear the second time. He said to date, only 2 retests have remained with the same results and to date are unexplained.
Since nothing was said about sending out new swabs, it sounds as though they save a portion of the swab card that was sent to them so that they can do retesting.
I'll be interested in finding out the results!
Hi LindaH,
I'm sure the retesting will give some better insight into what is going on. Did I read your post right that 1100 tests were previously called questionable before being cleared up with retesting?
Thanks,
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Did I read your post right that 1100 tests were previously called questionable before being cleared up with retesting?
I copied and pasted a portion of the email I received from Blaze's breeder which she had received from Jon. The 1100 number was from Jon, not from me.
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I copied and pasted a portion of the email I received from Blaze's breeder which she had received from Jon. The 1100 number was from Jon, not from me.
Thanks. I'm still hoping someone made a typo in there somewhere. That is a large number.
