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[wrx227wrc]

"I need to do his hips when he is two and his eyes every once in awhile so I want him where I can get at him.

Peabo is a nice boy but like I said I want him where I can get at him."

Do I leave it at that??

[renaultf1]

@wrx227wrc:

"I need to do his hips when he is two and his eyes every once in awhile so I want him where I can get at him.

Peabo is a nice boy but like I said I want him where I can get at him."

Do I leave it at that??

Unfortunately I think that is the answer. Good about the testing though. You might ask if they know of any young adults that might be closer to you.

[Quercus]

@wrx227wrc:

What is the opinion about finding a buddy for a dominant dog? I have gotten conflicting opinions about getting another strong minded dog vs a more submissive dog. What do you guys think?

F1… Why hasn't he been snatched up already?

NNNNOOOOOOoooooo! If you have a dominant dog, you want a submissive dog…two strong minded dogs will fight constantly and drive you crazy!

But it isn't always that simple...sometimes dogs that LOOK dominant, because they always act out towards other dogs first are merely reactive, and truly scared/uncomfortable/nervous around other dogs. So they ACT overly confident. Either way, the easiest combination is always two easygoing dogs, and the worst is two edgy dogs. Take it from me

[Quercus]

@wrx227wrc:

"I need to do his hips when he is two and his eyes every once in awhile so I want him where I can get at him.

Peabo is a nice boy but like I said I want him where I can get at him."

Do I leave it at that??

That means she wants to keep him intact, and possibly use him in the future for breeding. That explains why he is still there, homes that want to keep the dogs intact and cooperate with breeders are the hardest to come by.

Hang in there, you will find the perfect match for Piggy!

[wrx227wrc]

Andrea-That is definitely what I thought, but I have read some things that stated otherwise. In this case may I be better off getting a super laid back older male than a puppy anyway??

Pam wrote me back and said that Dillon (Eldorado N C-Quest's Gunsmoke) may be available soon-ish and is in Cleveland. Does anyone know anything about him? I can't find him on the OFA site.

We are in no rush (other than simply being excited) to find one and would rather wait a long time to find the perfect compliment than to end up with a bad match.

[Quercus]

Personally, I think a puppy is ALWAYS easier to introduce than another adult. But lots of people successfully introduce adults. There are quite a few 'tricks' you can try to make things go more smoothly. The fact that Piggy even tolerates dog parks is great…she will most likely do fine with another friend.

[wrx227wrc]

Her dominance is mostly a protect my house and my people kind of thing. In an off leash, away from home situation she is fine. She does have to pee on EVERY other dogs pee though…

Our trick has always been to have her meet them elsewhere first before coming into the house together that helps but doesn't make things perfect. There have been far too few males dogs in our house (1 only I think) to be able to tell if it is strictly a female-female thing. That would be our plan with any new addition.

[kiroja]

You are more than welcome to come visit me and my gang anytime you'd like.

Sorry things didn't work out with Peabo, but it's understandable that she would want to keep him close. Maybe Dillon is a better alternative anyways? The good thing is there is a lot of word of mouth between breeders, so they may hear of someone who has an adult to place that might work out for you. Don't be afraid to contact other breeders that are closer to you too, even if there's nothing on their site, they may know of something available or would keep you in mind if something comes up later.

Andrea is right, Piggy may or may not be a truly dominant girl, but either way, you want a laid back submissive boy to pair with her. Two crazy dogs will definitely make your life crazy! lol A puppy is usually the best bet for introducing to an established dog, especially a dominant one. However the good thing with adding an adult is that you'll usually see their real side right away. A puppy may change behavior as they grow up and get away from their littermates and what starts out as a nice pairing might not work out later. But again, usually the puppy will work out better than an adult on average.

Regarding the Sundance guy, if it's who I think it is, then yes you want to steer clear. I don't know him but have heard about him from a few folks and I did run into some of the vet techs that see his dogs, at a booth for a pet expo. And when they saw my dogs they couldn't believe that the breed was actually nice! I had all 4 of mine on leash together and they walked up and gave kisses to the girls. Apparently his dogs have to come in the door muzzled. Also for health testing, if you don't see his dogs on OFA, that's probably another big clue.

[renaultf1]

I've met Dillon. Dillon I remember as being more laid back than my boy Brando (also one of Eldorado's…one of their imports)...he played nicer than Brando. The only other thing I can remember is he is bigger than Brando (who is average in size)...Dylan is taller.

Again, I would ask them about his personality and how he might get on with a possibly dominant girl. They live with him on a day to day basis, so they will know all his quirks. Maybe ask him to describe what the sort of girl he is best matched with as a playmate.

[renaultf1]

Oh, and regarding the OFA…I don't know about what if any tests they have done on him...probably depends on if they had plans on using him in their breeding program. Both his parents are clears for Fanconi so I'm sure they would wait for the direct test for that if they weren't going to breed him.

[wrx227wrc]

Dillon does look very tall! I haven't heard back from Pam yet about him, I am assuming she is talking to whoever shows him (the someone in Cleveland maybe). We could make more than one trip to Cleveland if we had to, just to see how they got along.

I will put the word out to other breeders that we may be looking for an young adult. I'll give that route and rescues another couple months before we get serious about puppy talk and visiting Kelli and/or Andrea

[wrx227wrc]

I know that BRAT is the larger rescue, but I have seen some smaller ones too. Are there any rescues that we should steer clear from?

[Duke]

@kiroja:

And when they saw my dogs they couldn't believe that the breed was actually nice! I had all 4 of mine on leash together and they walked up and gave kisses to the girls. Apparently his dogs have to come in the door muzzled. Also for health testing, if you don't see his dogs on OFA, that's probably another big clue.

Your dogs are the sweetest, Kelli. We've met at the Pet Expo in Novi more than once over a couple years. I just love your furkids. Also met Tayda Lenny's kids too. You might remember me as the stranger obsessed with your kids - I initially owned a mix, now 2 and have learned so much about their intriguing characteristics.

Keeping with the thread - wrx227wrc - you're one of the lucky ones to have a resource like this forum.

[wrx227wrc]

My first basenji, Duke, was from a guy in Ann Arbor named Eric Williams, that only really bred for show, not selling. Has anyone ever heard of him? That was how we ended up with Duke, he wasn't getting along with his dad and showing well. We got him at about 11 mos and he was fabulous.

[tanza]

@wrx227wrc:

My first basenji, Duke, was from a guy in Ann Arbor named Eric Williams, that only really bred for show, not selling. Has anyone ever heard of him? That was how we ended up with Duke, he wasn't getting along with his dad and showing well. We got him at about 11 mos and he was fabulous.

Does he have a kennel name? Or what is Duke's registered name?

[wrx227wrc]

Duke's name was Erictee's first choice ersal. I don't think he really had a kennel name, I think most of the dog's names started with Erictee's…which I suppose would was like his kennel name. I don't see anything on OFA, I just wondered if anyone in the show arena knew if he was still around

[kiroja]

@Duke:

Your dogs are the sweetest, Kelli. We've met at the Pet Expo in Novi more than once over a couple years. I just love your furkids. Also met Tayda Lenny's kids too. You might remember me as the stranger obsessed with your kids - I initially owned a mix, now 2 and have learned so much about their intriguing characteristics.

Thank you Jill! Yes, I remember you. We enjoyed visiting with you and providing a little Basenji love.

[kiroja]

@wrx227wrc:

My first basenji, Duke, was from a guy in Ann Arbor named Eric Williams, that only really bred for show, not selling. Has anyone ever heard of him? That was how we ended up with Duke, he wasn't getting along with his dad and showing well. We got him at about 11 mos and he was fabulous.

Yep, I see Eric all the time. I'm not sure about a kennel name, I have seen him use both Erictee and/or Ersal on his dogs. His dogs mostly come from Donna Trouten (Moonlyte) I think. I believe she doesn't do Basenjis anymore but is active in another breed? Eric is like most of the other Michigan breeders, just has a litter every once in a while. Keeps a pup, works with it for a few years, then decides to have another litter. I know he has several breeds. Ridgebacks, Doxies, and maybe even Salukis come to mind. I know he has said he has issues with the Basenjis getting along well with the pack, so he has backed off and tries to just have one at a time now. lol I wasn't sure if he was going to do anything with Basenjis for a while, but I did hear from some other people that he did have a litter recently or added a pup from someone else maybe?

Eric is a great guy, and has a good eye for a nice Basenji. I don't know if and what health testing he does as a breeder though. But he is a good person to talk dogs with, very friendly and knowledgeable.

I believe Eric just got an AOM on one of his boys all 4 days in Louisville…

[Quercus]

@wrx227wrc:

Duke's name was Erictee's first choice ersal. I don't think he really had a kennel name, I think most of the dog's names started with Erictee's…which I suppose would was like his kennel name. I don't see anything on OFA, I just wondered if anyone in the show arena knew if he was still around

Eric is still showing Basenjis, but I think last I heard, he wasn't planning on doing anymore breeding. He has another breed as well. We usually see him out at shows several times a year. He is a really nice guy. I don't know anything about how much health testing he does.

[wrx227wrc]

That's cool that you guys know him. I never met him. My ex-boyfriend went to get Duke from him after his parents met Eric at a pet expo. I was adamant against getting a dog at all, but of course, fell in love with Duke the second I saw him…even though he had just pooped all over my bed

I remember that he bred Ridgeback's too. I don't think he ever really bred basenjis to sell them and I don't see him on OFA with either name. We just ended up with Duke because he was far too independent to succeed in the show ring. He was gorgeous and incredibly well behaved and we were glad to end up with him... Just curious about Eric.