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  • tanzaT

    @nomrbddgs:

    I'm leaning to keeping one of the boys. I have enough dark dogs and enough girls. I only have Shadow, who is neutered as a boy. So I really would prefer one of the boys, but I am looking at Tink too. She is such a sweetie-loes to cuddle!

    As for the counter thing, So True! One day they will only wish they were up there!!

    OR… they will just get up there and look you in the eye and say "Hey, you started it!"

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • bellabasenjiB

    I just love the name Tink, is it short for Tinkerbell?

    _**Lisa Lynn ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    BRAT Basenji Rescue, &

    Mid-Atlantic Basenji Club**_

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  • tanzaT

    @bellabasenji:

    I just love the name Tink, is it short for Tinkerbell?

    Or is it "stinker"??? I have a "Stinker"…. one of Kristii loving nicknames... and sometimes called Tinker or Tink....

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • K

    I'm all for Bubba too at this point! Thanks for sharing Arlene. :)

    Kelli Harmon

    Kiroja Basenjis

    Southgate, MI USA

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  • tanzaT

    Hmmm… Arlene... can't wait to see pics at 8 wks and see if we all still agree on Bubba...but the Tri bitch is really cute too...

    But I can certainly understand your reasons for keeping a boy and it makes sense....

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • nomrbddgsN

    @bellabasenji:

    I just love the name Tink, is it short for Tinkerbell?

    Yes, Tink is short for Tinkerbell.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • nomrbddgsN

    The tri bitch is, I don't know. Her body is okay, but so far, I don't like her stop. We will have to see. I actually, at this point prefer Tink's head.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • bellabasenjiB

    @nomrbddgs:

    The tri bitch is, I don't know. Her body is okay, but so far, I don't like her stop. We will have to see. I actually, at this point prefer Tink's head.

    Just curious…when you say you don't like her "stop," what do you mean???

    _**Lisa Lynn ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    BRAT Basenji Rescue, &

    Mid-Atlantic Basenji Club**_

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  • tanzaT

    @nomrbddgs:

    The tri bitch is, I don't know. Her body is okay, but so far, I don't like her stop. We will have to see. I actually, at this point prefer Tink's head.

    Obviously a disadvantage to only see the pictures, you have "real time"…ggg

    But I think the Tri bitch's stop at this age is just fine.....

    From the Breed Standard, Stop is referred to as just below the eye, as the foreface tapers to the muzzle: The skull is flat, well chiseled and of medium width, tapering toward the eyes. The foreface tapers from eye to muzzle with a perceptible stop. Muzzle shorter than skull, neither coarse nor snipy, but with rounded cushions.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • nomrbddgsN

    True Pat, at this age it's hard to tell, but she seems to have a deeper stop, and has seemed this way for awhile, than the others.

    But it could also be the darker colour. Looks are sometimes very deceptive.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • tanzaT

    @nomrbddgs:

    True Pat, at this age it's hard to tell, but she seems to have a deeper stop, and has seemed this way for awhile, than the others.

    But it could also be the darker colour. Looks are sometimes very deceptive.

    For sure, but all in all, very nice litter…. Congrats

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Thanks, Pat. I was hoping for certain things, but I will have to wait to see if they came out the way I was hoping.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • nomrbddgsN

    4 1/2 weeks. They were a little tired!

    Bubba

    Talker

    Indi

    Tink

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • NemoN

    It looks like Tink is so sleepy she would fall over if the hand was removed. Cute.

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  • AmberedA

    I just read the whole thread. What a beautiful litter! I am assuming Sugar is doing well at this point? It would be so hard to choose just one! You guys are the worst for puppy fever! We are moving to Alabama in September *with a fenced yard. My husband said we could get another dog then :) YAY!

    ![](images/smilies/rolleyes.png "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)") why, yes, i have a very full life-full of little catastrophes!

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Sugar is doing okay. She's still feeding, but doesn't spend any real time with them. The puppies are starting to eat pablum, with the girls (of course) doing better than the boys. Here are 5 week pics.

    Talker

    Indi and Bubba playing with a toy in the potty box

    Tink, climbing the x pen.

    Bubba, of course

    the group

    Tink, Talker, and Indi

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • tanzaT

    cute…. Reminds me of my Maggii, after the first two weeks she wanted nothing to do with her pups if she could help it.... she happily gave them to Mickii and had I let Mickii milk up, she would have "washed" her paws of them...ggg We are NOT talking about Mother of the Year... Now Mickii on the other hand was the best of best Mom's... she loved her babies and loved being with them...

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • JannekeJ

    Love the pic of the little one climbing the x-pen!

    Tillo's website

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  • nomrbddgsN

    @tanza:

    cute…. Reminds me of my Maggii, after the first two weeks she wanted nothing to do with her pups if she could help it.... she happily gave them to Mickii and had I let Mickii milk up, she would have "washed" her paws of them...ggg We are NOT talking about Mother of the Year... Now Mickii on the other hand was the best of best Mom's... she loved her babies and loved being with them...

    She was actually better at feeding them last week. Now she just goes in to get some of the milk out to relieve herself and the puppies have started eating gruel. Bubba is still unsure about the gruel and would prefer to have Mama feed him for the rest of his life!

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • Ninabeana26N

    They are so adorable! That is quite a litter :)

    I love the photo of Tink trying to make a break for it! Haha. Too cute!

    Nina & my baby boy Dallas

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