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  • tanzaT

    Masking doesn't stay 99% of the time. It is really known in the Zuri bloodline (Ken and Marilyn Leighton) and while heavy masked at birth, not so by 6 months… but usually beautiful red coats.....

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • YodelDogsY

    The mask will disappear, probably by 8 weeks, so I wouldn't take it into consideration. In my experience, it is best to just enjoy the pups and not even try to evaluate them until they are close to 8 weeks. :)

    Robyn Dubbert

    Sherwood Basenjis

    One thing that I have learned in life is to accept that things are not all black or all white. Life is shades of gray and just because someone sees a different shade of gray than you do, it doesn't mean their shade is right or wrong, its just different. ~ Robyn Dubbert

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  • lvossL

    Unless the parents have the gene for masking meaning they themselves are masked the mask will fade as Pat says by 6 months but leave wonderful dark pigment on nose and eye rims.

    Here is a pic of Heart from my first litter at 4 weeks with masking.

    Here she is as an adult.

    Bella in my current litter has masking.

    So did her half sister Shirley and you can see how Shirley matured at the bottom of this page, http://kensetbasenjis.homestead.com/MartyKids.html
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  • nomrbddgsN

    Thanks for all the input. I will be waiting then and then evaluate on movement and structure. They are all sooo cute. Thanks again everyone for the input and good wishes.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • dmcartyD

    I alwasy look at 4 weeks and then 8 weeks. There was one litter where - when anyone saw the pups - it was always one pup that was 10 out of six. It was always - "…..and here's Mo." At about 7.5 weeks I looked outside in the yard and went - wow who was that - I bundled the pups up and went to my mentor and told her I wanted her to see something - let out the pups - and she said 'wow - who is that". So instead of being in a pet home in Duluth - I sent up his brother who had more flash and dash and kept the one that was no ones pick until 8 weeks.

    He finished and turned out to be quiet a handsome boy with solid movement and strucuture.

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Had a scare last night with Sugar. When I got home from work, she didn't look good. She's really skinny anyway and I keep upping her food. I noticed she had really runny poop and looked like she was straining. Her eyes were dull, but her temp was only 100.1. It's been running around 99.7 anyway. After I watched her awhile I phoned Sue. (I'm sure she was really happy to have me call her at midnight) She told me to give her some milk and an egg. She said she had never had a bitch with low calcium, but she had heard some that had. I gave her the milk and within 10 min she was laying with the puppies and looking a little more comfy. She still is runny this am, but it's not as runny. Hopefully this will clear up. Just thought I'd let you know.

    Anyone know what else I can give her to keep her calcium up and how much? I know yogurt is good, but at this point-how much?

    Also 5 day old pics Kind of crappy, but I'm getting better with the new camera:



    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • BasenjiDivaB

    The pups are adorable!! I hope really hope Sugar is doing better today. Keeping fingers crossed that this was just a little bump in the road and everything goes smoothly from this point on.

    Pat

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Still not good-bad stomach cramps. I've called someone else in to get an opinion as well since I am the only one really seeing her.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • tanzaT

    I give cottage cheese 4% milk fat for calcium, not yogart? And I always have mine on it starting before they whelp (like 2wks before)…. I don't measure, but if I had to guess it would be 2 tablespoons with each meal.

    You would be best off to take her to the Vet, IMO... as Eclampsia is a serious acute life-threatening problem that shows up typically in early lactation.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Actually, I think the people in this house may have fed her something that did not agree with her. (I suspected these people after the fact when someone mentioned something about fruit, apples, sausage, etc.) She's getting better now, her poops have started to slow down and form a little bit. If she does continue, I will take her to the vet. I just worry because of the babies. (dumb people feeding a dog what they aren't used to)

    Thanks Pat,

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • myranM

    Sometimes you need to give them a calcium shot I would call the vet asap and not try to second guess as Tanza stated eclampsia can be life threatening.

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  • nomrbddgsN

    I did call the vets this am. They told me to wait it out another day, since she didn't have a fever, unless she developed one or her glands got hard. They told me yogurt and rice. If she's not better in the am, I will take her in.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • renaultf1R

    Just curious, but what is a normal temp for a dog…

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Sugar hovers around 99.7, But it can vary from what I understand

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • nomrbddgsN

    New pics- 8 days


    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • Ninabeana26N

    Awww they are so adorable :) Keep the photos coming!

    Nina & my baby boy Dallas

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  • BasenjiDivaB

    They just get cuter and cuter!!

    Pat

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  • bellabasenjiB

    She looks like a good mommy…

    _**Lisa Lynn ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    BRAT Basenji Rescue, &

    Mid-Atlantic Basenji Club**_

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  • nomrbddgsN

    She's very good.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • K

    Aww, too cute! Can I steal one? :) How is everything going Arlene? Is Sugar feeling better?

    Kelli Harmon

    Kiroja Basenjis

    Southgate, MI USA

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