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  • roxygirlR

    I wouldn't try to comment on breeding protocol, but I sure didn't like your comment about getting 2 litters out of her and then placing her in a permanent home. Shouldn't your dog be your pet first?

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  • serenjaneS

    @roxygirl:

    I wouldn't try to comment on breeding protocol, but I sure didn't like your comment about getting 2 litters out of her and then placing her in a permanent home. Shouldn't your dog be your pet first?

    My friend, and fellow Basenji owner, I believe you have directed your remarks to the wrong person. I only have 1 B, and am not a breeder. My B is a pet only. I never had or have any intentions on breeding.

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  • JazzysMomJ

    @serenjane:

    My friend, and fellow Basenji owner, I believe you have directed your remarks to the wrong person. I only have 1 B, and am not a breeder. My B is a pet only. I never had or have any intentions on breeding.

    I believe Roxygirl's comments were directed at Lili, the original poster on this thread who said that she hoped to find a male and female, get two litters out of the female, then spay and find her a permanent home.

    Not sure why you felt it was directed at you, as your post is a good bit farther up the thread! :confused:

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  • serenjaneS

    Thanks for clarifying JazzysMom. I had received the reply in an email to SerenJane and thought it was directed to me. My apologies if I have offended.

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  • S

    We all start somewhere when it comes to b's.
    Anyone who wants to learn what quality breeders do to have quality dogs would be welcome with open arms..
    The discussion on making $$ and dumping the breeding bitch was so offensive to me..I just couldn't believe that this was this persons major concern…
    I think this forum is helpful to those who care about the dogs and want to learn.
    I learn something everyday from this group.
    I only hope this person, who posted this tread can't find dogs to use in the manner they wrote about...
    Time will tell.

    Sharron Hurlbut

    BRAT, basenji rescue

    Evergreen basenji club

    Seattle Purebred Dog Rescue

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  • QuercusQ

    @sharronhurlbut:

    We all start somewhere when it comes to b's.
    Anyone who wants to learn what quality breeders do to have quality dogs would be welcome with open arms..
    The discussion on making $$ and dumping the breeding bitch was so offensive to me..I just couldn't believe that this was this persons major concern…
    I think this forum is helpful to those who care about the dogs and want to learn.
    I learn something everyday from this group.
    I only hope this person, who posted this tread can't find dogs to use in the manner they wrote about...
    Time will tell.

    Could be this person was a troll. She said all the right things to get people in a dither. Typical of a troll, trolling for angry responses.

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • AlexA

    @Quercus:

    Could be this person was a troll. She said all the right things to get people in a dither. Typical of a troll, trolling for angry responses.

    Possibly, we had some members that were removed from the forum for not respecting us and our forum guidelines. They periodically show up back here in one form or another trying to stir things up.

    I don't think Lili is a troll though, just stumbled on a sensitive topic.

    The best thing todo if you find someones post offensive is to ignore the poster and notify the moderator team at admin@basenjiforums.com. If you have any comments or concerns about moderation or this message please email us privately.

    Lets stay on topic.

    Thank you,

    Basenji Forums Staff

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  • S

    Even if this person who started this post isn't legit, some of the info given by the quality breeders might help those who are thinking they might want to get into breeding in the future.
    Breeding its not for the uninformed…imo

    Sharron Hurlbut

    BRAT, basenji rescue

    Evergreen basenji club

    Seattle Purebred Dog Rescue

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  • Ninabeana26N

    I wouldn't guess it was a troll since they have been a member since Nov of last year & have made posts unrelated to breeding…

    However, Sharron brings up a great point. Although this thread started a bit of conflict, many wonderful & legitimate points about becoming a breeder have been mentioned. This thread has served as a general what to do if you are serious about wanting to breed & has probably [& IMO hopefully] scared off some people who are not in it for the right reasons. I can assure you I would NEVER breed! Haha.

    Nina & my baby boy Dallas

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  • S

    Well, I sure hope they read and absorb what these long time breeder folks know and are sharing.
    Otherwise, I will be seeing their dogs down the line, and I sure don't want that.
    SIGH!

    Sharron Hurlbut

    BRAT, basenji rescue

    Evergreen basenji club

    Seattle Purebred Dog Rescue

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  • roxygirlR

    I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the original poster - LiLi. Sorry for the confusion.

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  • QuercusQ

    @sharronhurlbut:

    Even if this person who started this post isn't legit, some of the info given by the quality breeders might help those who are thinking they might want to get into breeding in the future.
    Breeding its not for the uninformed…imo

    Sure, Sharron! I totally agree. That is why I responded in a civil manner :) I was just pointing out that there are some people out there who get their kicks by stirring up trouble on boards like this…they actually have competitions to see who can get the most responses.

    I also don't think it was anybody who was kicked out of the forums...at least none of the people that I know who were kicked out (of course, I don't know how many people were kicked out)...they don't have any wish to return; or stir up trouble.

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • QuercusQ

    @Ninabeana26:

    I wouldn't guess it was a troll since they have been a member since Nov of last year & have made posts unrelated to breeding…

    However, Sharron brings up a great point. Although this thread started a bit of conflict, many wonderful & legitimate points about becoming a breeder have been mentioned. This thread has served as a general what to do if you are serious about wanting to breed & has probably [& IMO hopefully] scared off some people who are not in it for the right reasons. I can assure you I would NEVER breed! Haha.

    Good point Nina….I didn't realize she had posted before.

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • tanzaT

    @Ninabeana26:

    I wouldn't guess it was a troll since they have been a member since Nov of last year & have made posts unrelated to breeding…

    However, Sharron brings up a great point. Although this thread started a bit of conflict, many wonderful & legitimate points about becoming a breeder have been mentioned. This thread has served as a general what to do if you are serious about wanting to breed & has probably [& IMO hopefully] scared off some people who are not in it for the right reasons. I can assure you I would NEVER breed! Haha.

    I agree, the posts that were made were by breeders that have been there, done that… and related their experiences... good, bad, etc... and to get the message out that responsible breeders do NOT make money, nor do they breed to make money...

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • AndrewA

    @mauigirl:

    Hey Carrie,

    I'll go to dog shows with you! :D
    I'm definitely interested in learning more about conformation, just for fun.

    Let's go! That would be fun!!!

    Carrie & the Brindle Babes, Callie & Lola (Not Andrew)

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  • myranM

    Haha a Basenji breeder making profit that´ll be the day if one makes end´s meet(hmm is that english)one should be so lucky.I´m not a breeder but my boy has been used for stud this fall and just paying all the shows(gas,show entries etc)the extensive health testing hips,eyes,fanconi,thyroid panel including TgAA wasn´t cheap.Can assure anyone that his stud fee won´t make me rich but that´s not what i´m intrested in i´m more curious seeing what kinda puppies this combo will give and if he passes on his qualities.

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    @Quercus: http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/ Did you try here, above? Can you put the sire and dam's numbers into the ACA website? Or is there a number to actually talk to someone, maybe they could help you more? I would think that since you have the litter number, the ACA could help you, if you could talk to a human…. I contacted the ACA last Friday and was told I had to prove that Tippy was a rescue by faxing such documentation. I sent that information in, similar to the info shown in the original post above, including BRAT documentation accordingly. Then, yesterday, I followed up with ACA and was told that a supervisor made the determination that they could'nt help me unless BRAT issued an ACA registration application to me. Then I contacted a few BRAT board members and one answered saying they've never had seen nor heard of such a thing. I'm beginning to feel like the ACA is trying to hide something, something to the effect that they are really a "false marketing front" for the profit-making pet industry. A couple of very nice basenji-loving folks have stepped forward to try to help track down potential puppy mill/pedigree information, but if they are not successful, I wonder how I can convince the ACA that my interest in Tippy's pedigree is purely medical and to support the Fanconi research efforts? Does anyone think it would help if I told the ACA that Tippy is already neutered (as BRAT requires for all their rescues)? I don't necessarily want to register him at all, but if that's what it takes to get his pedigree, I will do it.
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