@JENGOSMonkey I WAS THERE FOR '89! I was a kid, but I remember the water coming out of the swimming pool in huge waves and everything falling from the shelves! I was actually born in San Jose, but moved around a lot later LOL I hear the wildfires are more of a concern for you guys now? That's scarier than quakes for me...
Venting
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yeah, i heard back from her today. i had already made an appointment for lenny to be neutered on June 9th. she emailed me today saying that she will work with me, but she wants to get him fanconi tested and then based on those tests decide if she wants to collect him. she also said that she wanted to find a handler to take him for a couple months in the fall and show/finish him. i haven't responded yet, but i really don't want to let him go for months.. that was just never part of the deal. so we are in negotiations… i'm frusterated still though because i really feel i have kept our contract for waaaaaay longer than originally intended. but hopefully it will work out.
its been a crappy few days with this landlord crap and the dog stuff so i really am sort of throwing my hands up in the air about everything.
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Sorry to hear all of this, I hope it gets better for you.
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yeah, i heard back from her today. i had already made an appointment for lenny to be neutered on June 9th. she emailed me today saying that she will work with me, but she wants to get him fanconi tested and then based on those tests decide if she wants to collect him. she also said that she wanted to find a handler to take him for a couple months in the fall and show/finish him. i haven't responded yet, but i really don't want to let him go for months.. that was just never part of the deal. so we are in negotiations… i'm frusterated still though because i really feel i have kept our contract for waaaaaay longer than originally intended. but hopefully it will work out.
its been a crappy few days with this landlord crap and the dog stuff so i really am sort of throwing my hands up in the air about everything.
Sorry that the breeder is being difficult… just out of "being nosey" was the sire and dam tested? And if not why not? (this is a retoricle question by the way)... if they were she would have a pretty good idea of his Fanconi status.. Were there any littermates (as in other males)?
Also, unless it was in the contract that she "could" send him with a handler, I would be hard pressed to let that happen, period... So if it were me, I would say a big NO to the handler part...
I have been a co-owner of many, many dogs and placed dogs on contracts, both show and pet. I would never put this kind of pressure on someone.. If this was something that I really wanted (collecting him) I would have made arrangements long ago to get it done... and if a pet owner really wanted to have the dog neutered/spayed.. like I said it is the home that is the most important.
Honestly, it is this kind of thing that really give breeders a bad rap.....sigh....
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I agree with Pat; it's the home that's important. We recently placed one of our pups in a fabulous home - but they aren't interested in showing. He's a really nice boy with a possibility of being clear (mom clear, dad carrier), so we have asked that when they get the blood drawn they wait until the results are back before neutering him so that we can collect him if he's clear. As much as we would like him to be shown, that's just our ego talking. As long as he's happy and they're happy, that's enough for us!
Terry
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Thanks for the understanding.. I have definitely started documenting all of the violations. if i need to get a tenant lawyer I will…. what a pain! I'll be sending her my intent to vacate by certified return receipt mail. BLAH!
I do not think you need to hire a lawyer. You can probably bring a case against this landlord yourself in small claims court. You also might be able to get out of the lease as another here suggested because of the violations you have been subjected to. As you know the real problem is that it might take months for you to get into court. So what you might do is either tell the landlord you are going to file a formal complaint with the housing authority, or just file your lawsuit, and then you can use it as leverage to have something to bargin with the landlord to get out of your lease with your security deposit. Trust me, there are very few people that want to be tied up for several days or even one day, having to appear in court.
I just want to add, that what ever agreement you finally come to with your landlord as far as your lease is concerned, make sure you get it in writing. Do not accept a verbal agreement because you will get into the he said she said game.
Jason
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I agree with Pat; it's the home that's important. We recently placed one of our pups in a fabulous home - but they aren't interested in showing. He's a really nice boy with a possibility of being clear (mom clear, dad carrier), so we have asked that when they get the blood drawn they wait until the results are back before neutering him so that we can collect him if he's clear. As much as we would like him to be shown, that's just our ego talking. As long as he's happy and they're happy, that's enough for us!
Terry
Right on Terry… lvoss did the same with one of the pups from the litter that I co-bred with her..... and it is the right thing to do... to use them they do not need to be shown... it is nice and even nicer if they finish... but in the end.. it is the bloodline you/we as breeders are looking to extend... and again, right one.. it is ego.. ggg.. I love showing, and I am so very proud of every dog I have finished.. did that mean they should be bred? Nope... Am I glad I completed their CH? Yes... but the fact that we can collect and then decided to use at a much later date... (and for me the older they are the better)... is a bonus to having a great home... but in the end... if you don't make those provision early so that the owners can "continue" on with their lives giving that pup a wonderful home without strings... then well... to me it is a waste... and of course feeds to bad feelings...
Then again... I have never ever made a dime on a litter I bred...... nor do I ever expect to....
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It should be the home that matters most. With my last litter that was co-bred with Pat, I had asked both owners of the boys if they would let me collect them when they were 10 months old at the National. One of the families called me about a month before asking if it would be okay if they neutered their boy before then. They were being pressured by their vet, trainer, and the people at the dog park. I agreed because it would make their life easier. The other boy was collected and the owner is still deciding if she wants to try out some more shows before having him neutered but it is all up to her.
In my opinion, each of my pups is in a wonderful home that loves them and takes great care of them. That is enough to make me happy.
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I do not think you need to hire a lawyer. You can probably bring a case against this landlord yourself in small claims court. You also might be able to get out of the lease as another here suggested because of the violations you have been subjected to. As you know the real problem is that it might take months for you to get into court. So what you might do is either tell the landlord you are going to file a formal complaint with the housing authority, or just file your lawsuit, and then you can use it as leverage to have something to bargin with the landlord to get out of your lease with your security deposit. Trust me, there are very few people that want to be tied up for several days or even one day, having to appear in court.
I just want to add, that what ever agreement you finally come to with your landlord as far as your lease is concerned, make sure you get it in writing. Do not accept a verbal agreement because you will get into the he said she said game.
Jason
Hmm… you sound like you might be in a legal profession yourself...
I think I might write a letter to the landlord listing all of the violations that I have experienced, as well as the discrepancies between what I have and what is stated in the Tenants Rights Handbook for what I should have - and say that based on these discrepancies I am requesting her to release me from my full lease term. If she signs and returns.. that means she can not legally keep my security deposit? is that true?
I have also thought about telling her that I'm moving out at the end of July and she can keep my security deposit for July rent. But I know she can file legal action against me for that. i just wonder if she would go to the trouble. I'm in a really high demand area - she'd be better off just re-renting and moving on. Unless she just does it to spite me.
Its amazing... I have paid my rent, in full, every single month - on time (EARLY in fact!) and she thinks i'm being nitpicky about her entering my apartment without permission and making a big mess and throwing out a personal item of mine. (uh.. isn't that technically tresspassing, and burglery? regardless of if they are the landlords?) And I can't imagine my renter calling me up and saying 'its cold in here, can you turn the heat up?" and me saying "no, i don't have to heat your apartment past april. i don't care if its 40 degrees out". what a piece of work these people are.
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just out of "being nosey" was the sire and dam tested? And if not why not? (this is a retoricle question by the way)… if they were she would have a pretty good idea of his Fanconi status.. Were there any littermates (as in other males)?
.Sire and dam were tested. Sire was clear and dam was carrier… so he is either clear or carrier. i know of at least one male littermate but not sure if he was tested.
I have written her back saying no to the month or more of giving him up to someone to handle. and i basically said that i am not wanting to continue with the showing thing anymore. its just too much of a hassle being in another state. i already made an appointment to get him neutered in a couple weeks and that vet will do collecting if she wants. if she wants to get the fanconi test done i'll wait for those results... but i need her to get a move on it! sigh....
its sad cause while i'm in this holding pattern w/ lenny, he's not getting to run with his friends at the dog park. i was so excited that we found a place that he can run and there are other basenjis there and he loves it! and now we can't go back until he is neutered. very sad. not to mention that it just means we stay here... in my freezing apartment!
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Sire and dam were tested. Sire was clear and dam was carrier… so he is either clear or carrier. i know of at least one male littermate but not sure if he was tested.
I have written her back saying no to the month or more of giving him up to someone to handle. and i basically said that i am not wanting to continue with the showing thing anymore. its just too much of a hassle being in another state. i already made an appointment to get him neutered in a couple weeks and that vet will do collecting if she wants. if she wants to get the fanconi test done i'll wait for those results... but i need her to get a move on it! sigh....
its sad cause while i'm in this holding pattern w/ lenny, he's not getting to run with his friends at the dog park. i was so excited that we found a place that he can run and there are other basenjis there and he loves it! and now we can't go back until he is neutered. very sad. not to mention that it just means we stay here... in my freezing apartment!
I hate to say this.. but if this were my dog, I would go ahead and have him neutered… it is not like she doesn't have another male to maybe use.. and even if a carrier, it doesn't exclude him...
I would hate to advise anyone for not trying to come to a suitable agreement with their breeder.. but to me this is not reasonable.... if my dog I would have him neutered... period... and just tell the breeder this is what needs to be after this long....
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If Lenny is who I think he is then he has a full sibling that is one year younger then him and is in a show home and intact with another breeder. He also has two intact litter sisters so it is not like she would be losing the genes from this cross if Lenny were neutered.
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Yes, Ivoss… Lenny is who you think he is..... I think the motivation for wanting him so badly is that he is the only brindle still left intact. Not sure. The other one i believe is fixed, and I don't think he is in a show home.
Thanks for all your advice and encouragement. Things have been a bit frusterating for me all around and it makes me feel better that you guys are so understanding.
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Yes, Ivoss… sounds like Lenny is who you think he is..... I think the motivation for wanting him so badly is that he is the only brindle still left intact. Not sure. The other one i believe is fixed, and I don't think he is in a show home. The male that is a year younger than him is in a show home w/ a breeder that lives i think about 2 hours from me. this is who I believe the breeder wants to have handle him. It is just too far and too inconvenient.... so I am going to stay firm on the no showing/handling.
Thanks for everyones advice and encouragement. Things have been a bit frusterating for me all around and it makes me feel better that you guys are so understanding. Particularly since you guys are breeders - its really helpful to hear your perspective on it.
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I hate to say this.. but if this were my dog, I would go ahead and have him neutered… it is not like she doesn't have another male to maybe use.. and even if a carrier, it doesn't exclude him...
I would hate to advise anyone for not trying to come to a suitable agreement with their breeder.. but to me this is not reasonable.... if my dog I would have him neutered... period... and just tell the breeder this is what needs to be after this long....
I'm huge on keeping my word and honoring commitments, but I have to say I agree with Pat. Anything that has gone on with my breeder has been within an understood time frame that everyone agreed to - up front. From one pet person to another, the only thing I might do in addition, is pay to have him collected and have it done asap so he can be neutered. That way you don't need to wait for the Fanconi results to have him neutered and the whole thing can come to closure.
Just curious, was he placed with you as a foster until he is finished showing or do you actually own him?
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One of the two girls is a brindle so he isn't the only brindle from the litter kept intact. The inheritance of brindle is pretty much the same as black, it takes one to get one. As a breeder who loves blacks and doesn't want to lose the color, I have to agree with Pat's statement, if it is something you need for your breeding program then you don't let it go. When I bred my first litter out of Rally she had 3 reds and 1 black. The black was a boy and it was pretty obvious by the time Coal was 8 weeks old that Nicky was not keen on living with him. Though he is in a home where he is shown and is intact, I also decided that since I want black in breeding program that I would breed Rally again and hope she was more cooperative in providing what I wanted. She was, the second litter had 1 black girl, 1 black boy, and 1 red boy. So I kept the black girl so I still have the color that I want and the dog that fits in my household. Even if things hadn't worked out so that I got the black that I wanted there are others out there, it just would have meant looking for the right one for my breeding program.
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Sire and dam were tested. Sire was clear and dam was carrier… so he is either clear or carrier. i know of at least one male littermate but not sure if he was tested.
The dam was not tested…? Only the sire as clear?
So she could be affected, BUT still Lenny would be clear or carrier...
And I know Lenny's breeder also... I am very, very surprised that she is being this difficult... It is not like these are "rare" pedigrees... there are more then enough dogs/bitches around that carry these lines.
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I figured most of you would know Lenny's breeder, and I appreciate that you guys are being confidential on this. I didn't want to name sling, I just wanted advice from people who could relate to my situation… she has always been really helpful when i needed to go out of town by watching them so i really can't say anything bad about her. I'm trying to be cooperative but when it gets to the point that things might become a big hassle and theres no end in sight.. I get frusterated.
Lenny's dam was tested, and she was a carrier... i thought. Tanza, did you see something different?
i actually co-own him with her. The understanding was always that i'd keep him intact until he finished his championship and then could be neutered, but the timeframe that was suggested to me was ~1 year or so. and that was before moving out of michigan was on the table. She showed him before i left michigan and he hadn't gotten any points. So he still has a long way to go. She mentioned that some dogs aren't shown until they are 2 or 3... which makes me nervous cause i do not want to keep him intact that long, and now that we are not local to her anymore i don't want to give him up for months at a time, or have to deal with driving him back and forth on weekends.
anyway, so... waiting to hear back, again.
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I figured most of you would know Lenny's breeder, and I appreciate that you guys are being confidential on this. I didn't want to name sling, I just wanted advice from people who could relate to my situation… she has always been really helpful when i needed to go out of town by watching them so i really can't say anything bad about her. I'm trying to be cooperative but when it gets to the point that things might become a big hassle and theres no end in sight.. I get frusterated.
Lenny's dam was tested, and she was a carrier... i thought. Tanza, did you see something different?
i actually co-own him with her. The understanding was always that i'd keep him intact until he finished his championship and then could be neutered, but the timeframe that was suggested to me was ~1 year or so. and that was before moving out of michigan was on the table. She showed him before i left michigan and he hadn't gotten any points. So he still has a long way to go. She mentioned that some dogs aren't shown until they are 2 or 3... which makes me nervous cause i do not want to keep him intact that long, and now that we are not local to her anymore i don't want to give him up for months at a time, or have to deal with driving him back and forth on weekends.
anyway, so... waiting to hear back, again.
If the dam was tested, she is not on the OFA DNA data base… so I don't think she is. The dam was tested for lots of things (and that is a good thing that tests were done) but not Fanconi. In fact there is a statement on the breeders web page that is a bit off to me.. saying that "be sure at least one" parent is tested clear. I totally disagree with that.. while it is better then nothing, not appropriate IMO... but that is my opinion.
If you want to contact me privately, you can go to my website (www.tanzabasenjis.net) and email me.
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wow, i guess not. i could have sworn i saw it somewhere. i just rechecked the zande site and its not there either. well now i understand…
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Hopefully she will come around quickly and see that for you neutering him is best… and hopefully your housing situation will work out too!
